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Argh!!! I played a round today, and I'm back to hitting every shot fat again! I worked my a** off working on an easy and smooth swing, but today it seemed every shot with an iron longer than my 9, would dig a nice big hole in the fairway. With the very limited information I'm giving you, just curious, what could I be doing wrong?

I'll probably be getting a swing lesson next week.. anyone have a recommendation of someone on the westside or southbay of los angeles?

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Are you dipping on takeaway, or through impact too much, are you standing too close to the ball? I have to focus completely on the ball, hitting square and completely down or I do the same thing.

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Into impact, the more forward you get your hips; the more you maintain the right wrist hinge; the more you extend your legs; the more your hands are ahead of the clubhead, the less the chance of hitting it fat.

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I'd put more weight on my left side at address and try to keep it there.
That's what I do on pitch/chip shots to make sure I strike the ball first

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turn shoulders around not up and down

That's terrible advice. Your shoulders turn around your spine, which is most definitely set on an angle. Almost no students turn their shoulders steep enough.

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Shooter McGreenkeeper Established Member

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you are not understanding me. Yes turn shoulders around spine....

always give way to the Greenskeeper!!

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Simple Tips
1) practice hitting chip shots with your feet together, if you sway you will lose balance.
2) make sure that your hands are extended to the ground at the same time relaxed and without tension
3) I like to take the club back so that shaft is toward the target and parallal to the ground with the toe point up. This helps set your first position and your able to check. This can be incorporated in your pre-shot routine.
4) practice with wedge chip shots and work your way up to pitch shots, then up your club from wedges to PW, 9, 8 etc.

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you are not understanding me. Yes turn shoulders around spine....

Shoulders and spine connected - point shoulder at ground as start of back swing = good thing.

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Shoulders and spine connected - point shoulder at ground as start of back swing = good thing.

Well, perhaps he's suggesting that people actually try to turn their shoulders straight up and down. Like on a plane like this:

| . The thing is I almost never see people doing that. Far more often people turn their shoulders on a plane like this: – . In reality, they should feel that they're turning their shoulders like this: \ So if he's saying that people are trying to turn their shoulders on a plane like the first line I drew, where their left shoulder goes straight down (a vertical plane), then I'd agree they need to swing more "around"... but where I disagree is how common someone actually swinging their shoulders vertically is - you almost never see someone whose shoulders are too steep.

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Thanks all for the good advice. I'm thinking of getting an evolvr monthly membership, and working on those mid-irons. As well as my pitching/chipping, putting and drives. My goal is to one day be a single digit handicap; while my immedate goal is to regularly break 90.

Thanks again!

In my Grom Stand bag:

 

Driver: Ping G20, 8.5 Tour Stiff
Wood/Hybrid: G20 3W, Raylor 19*, 22*
Irons: R9 5I - SW, TM CGB LW

Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi-Mid

Favorites: Old Ranch (Seal Beach), Ike/Babe (Industry Hills), Skylinks (Long Beach), Desert Willow (Palm Desert)

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turn shoulders around not up and down

you are not understanding me.

Man... I don't understand how someone wouldn't understand such articulate and useful advice.

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Into impact, the more forward you get your hips; the more you maintain the right wrist hinge; the more you extend your legs; the more your hands are ahead of the clubhead, the less the chance of hitting it fat.

after a couple range sessions, i've found this advice very helpful, thank you!!

also, i checked out your blog, good tips in there too!

In my Grom Stand bag:

 

Driver: Ping G20, 8.5 Tour Stiff
Wood/Hybrid: G20 3W, Raylor 19*, 22*
Irons: R9 5I - SW, TM CGB LW

Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi-Mid

Favorites: Old Ranch (Seal Beach), Ike/Babe (Industry Hills), Skylinks (Long Beach), Desert Willow (Palm Desert)

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My issue is that when i try to maintain my right wrist angle longer i hit low right shots, very scary, i mean like 15 feet off the ground, 50 yard banana shots. Its i have a hard time squaring up when i don't flip a bit, just a nice swing fault i have. Its hard for me to differentiate flipping and naturally rotating, and trying to get that flying wedge

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uttexas Great Member

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My issue is that when i try to maintain my right wrist angle longer i hit low right shots, very scary, i mean like 15 feet off the ground, 50 yard banana shots.

When I was learning the flying wedge, I would hit thins and hosels because I wasn't extending my legs+arms enough and pushing the clubhead down and forward away from me enough. The feeling that works for me is extending the legs as much as possible and pushing my arms straight and forward/away from me through impact, while maintaining the right wrist hinge.

The video that iacas posted on club release helped me a lot. also see Erik's hips forward impact drill

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why do you hold onto the club there? Is that to stop people from fliping there hands over in the follow through? Is that drill beneficial to someone who tends to hold onto the club and have a chicken wing.

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"That's terrible advice. Your shoulders turn around your spine, which is most definitely set on an angle. Almost no students turn their shoulders steep enough". iacas, can you please tell me what you mean by"shoulders steep enough"Like your shoulder under your chin? I was playing around with that but i noticed that if you take the club to the top and stop and then steepen your shoulders it changes the plane. Does that make sense? does the plane dictate the shoulders or shoulders dictate the plane or am I just all screwed up, thanks
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bahh... i thought i was improving but i think i took a step back today. i was really liking my game at the range, and even my warm up before todays round felt real good. but if i wasnt' hitting it fat, i was hooking most everything. except my driver, for whatever reason i hit that real well. luckily it was a 5 person scramble tourney i was in today. we played my drive most of the time.. so at least i carried some weight.

i feel a bit down though cause i did think i had worked up to a good, workable, practiseable swing. back to the range i guess....

In my Grom Stand bag:

 

Driver: Ping G20, 8.5 Tour Stiff
Wood/Hybrid: G20 3W, Raylor 19*, 22*
Irons: R9 5I - SW, TM CGB LW

Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi-Mid

Favorites: Old Ranch (Seal Beach), Ike/Babe (Industry Hills), Skylinks (Long Beach), Desert Willow (Palm Desert)

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