I got recognized

KenStone · October 29, 2010

as having a stack and tilt swing by a new instructor I was trying out today. He was not happy to see it and was doing his to best eliminate it. In a way I was honored because I've only read the book and have not had a SnT lesson so it made me feel like I had at least done something right (even though he didn't like it).

Of course it was difficult for me to do some of the things he asked..at one point he had me stacked....on my right side. I'm guessing he was just trying to get me to balance out and transfer to my right side. Meh. I got some good things out of the lesson, but I'm going to ignore parts of his teaching.

He was actually a certified TGM instructor which is why I went to him (GSEM). But he sort of refused to use the TGM terminology which kinda bothered me.

***iacas*** · October 29, 2010

He was actually a certified TGM instructor which is why I went to him (GSEM). But he sort of refused to use the TGM terminology which kinda bothered me.

No comments for now on the first part, but the second part just strikes me as odd. You told him you wanted him to use the terms and he wouldn't?

**James_Black** · October 29, 2010

as having a stack and tilt swing by a new instructor I was trying out today. He was not happy to see it and was doing his to best eliminate it. In a way I was honored because I've only read the book and have not had a SnT lesson so it made me feel like I had at least done something right (even though he didn't like it).

I thought with stack and tilt you still put weight on your right side on the backswing?

If you didn't it'd be hard to get any distance...

**luckyluke699** · October 29, 2010

I thought with stack and tilt you still put weight on your right side on the backswing?

I don't do S&T.; I figure it's hard enough to learn normal golf in the UK with someone to teach me , let alone trying to learn S&T; without a live teacher to "show" me things etc. But anyway, hopefully the following will help...

"The spine tilts toward the ball at address, and when the player swings back, that tilt moves to the right. So to keep the spine over the ball, which is the goal, the player has to tilt to the left during the backswing" Taken from (good link): http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instr...#ixzz13k6issJr http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instr...ndtilt1_gd0706

**canadianpro** · October 29, 2010

Simply put...you tilt to the left over your left hip as you turn back and your spine comes out of flexion into extension. These moves happen together. The feeling at the top of backswing is that your spine has straightened, the left knee has moved toward the target line and the right leg straightens allowing the right hip to turn. At that point (the top of the backswing) the "feel" is though the belt buckle is the farthest point from the target.
The feeling of "weight" on the right foot comes from push off the ground creating the hip slide and the tuck under the butt
I tell my students the feeling is forward and then more forward.

Hope this helps

PB

KenStone · October 29, 2010

No comments for now on the first part, but the second part just strikes me as odd. You told him you wanted him to use the terms and he wouldn't?

Yeah. I drove 3 hours to meet with the guy and he knew that I came to him specifically because he was a TGM instructor. At the start he showed me a poster from Ben Doyle that was pretty cool, but when we got into the actual lesson everytime he got near something that had a name in TGM, he skipped it and said he wouldn't bother me with the terminology. As a software engineer by profession, I wanted him to use the terminology so I could use it for reference but instead we reverted to "feelings".

**sean_miller** · October 29, 2010

Yeah. I drove 3 hours to meet with the guy and he knew that I came to him specifically because he was a TGM instructor. At the start he showed me a poster from Ben Doyle that was pretty cool, but when we got into the actual lesson everytime he got near something that had a name in TGM, he skipped it and said he wouldn't bother me with the terminology. As a software engineer by profession, I wanted him to use the terminology so I could use it for reference but instead we reverted to "feelings".

That make more sense. He was probably used to dumbing things down for guys like me.

**1puttit** · October 31, 2010

Was this teacher in West Chicago, IL by any chance?

**uttexas** · October 31, 2010

Simply put...you tilt to the left over your left hip as you turn back and your spine comes out of flexion into extension. These moves happen together. The feeling at the top of backswing is that your spine has straightened, the left knee has moved toward the target line and the right leg straightens allowing the right hip to turn. At that point (the top of the backswing) the "feel" is though the belt buckle is the farthest point from the target.

Yes, exactly what I'm feeling now. Maybe my reading comprehension isn't what it used to be, but the stack and tilt book and DVDs don't emphasize the belly button/belt buckle furthest from the target (pointing at the camera on the down the line view) But that is exactly the feel I am working on now. In order to achieve this, I am feeling more centered in the backswing, instead of increasing my weight on the front foot during the backswing. I feel as though I am swiveling on my rear hip/leg which requires more weight on the rear foot than I was feeling initially with S&T; (could be part of the dirty little secret of weight shifting in S&T;)

As far as your TGM certified instructor shying away from TGM terms, sounds like he's trying to communicate "we're gonna do things my way".

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