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I've played the same ball for many years. Precept Laddie, 19.99 for 2 dozen. I dont try other balls for money reasons. What can I expect from more premium balls? I average 250 off the tee, 150 yd. 7 iron. And average from 80 to 84 on my local courses. I would love to get into single digits. Do you guys think a premium ball would help? In other words, would a scratch golfer still be scratch if he played with my brand? I'm trying to justify the added expense. What are your guys' experiences?
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If you're almost a single digit handicapper, you won't be losing many balls. So the added expense shouldn't be too crazy.

I didn't think there was much of a difference between balls until I actually worked at a golf store and got to try almost every ball by every brand at one time or another. The thing you'll notice right away when you hit a tour ball is the feel. Boy do they feel a hell of a lot nicer off the club than a Warbird or DT Solo. You'll have alot more control around the green as well and might even give you a few extra yards.

Before you do spring for a dozen ProV1's, go get fitted for a ball. I know Golf Galaxy does it and it's well worth it. I used to play ProV's but they weren't even in my top 10 balls. I should technically be playing Callaway Tour iZ's...but Penta's are right up there for me.

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The real advantage I find is the increased spin off iron shots, as well as on pitches, chips and bunker shots. Do you tend to play toward the middle of the green when the pin is tucked in a tough spot because your ball won't hold the green if you go for the pin? Ever need to spin the ball out of a greenside bunker or hit short irons that take on hop and stop or suck back to the pin? Want to but it low on a windy day but hold the green? Always fly EVERY iron onto the green and know it will stop... Never playing short and letting it run on (risking bad bounces) even when the pin us up front?

The spin you get with a high end or Tour quality ball is like night and day.

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I think there is some advantages and also disadvantages but do I think it will help you reach single digits... no. I shoot pretty similar scores with tm burner as I would with the Penta but I like the feel of the penta. Playing a premium helps a lot if you know how to hit a proper shot with spin and has great feel. The flip side is if you don't normally play spin shots you will have some chips that check and some that roll out so it might cause some issues around the green. I know some good golfers who prefer a warbird over a pro v1 because it spins less for them plus until the groove change is totally in effect spinning any ball shouldn't be a problem. Good luck
Driver: i15, 3 wood: G10, Hybrid: Nickent 4dx, Irons: Ping s57, Wedges: Mizuno MPT 52, 56, 60, Putter: XG #9 
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A premium golf ball isn't going to help. A scratch golfer will be a scratch golfer with the Precept. The ball isn't a rock and will hold greens on full shots and will just roll out a bit more on pitch shots which you can account for.

With that said, I say go buy a couple dozens of premium balls and see how you score. Your scores may suffer initially while you adjust to how the ball reacts. The ball may spin more off the driver making it less accurate and also will check more on the greens. If you can adapt and find yourself shooting better scores then you have answered the question that only you can really answer.

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Getting down to single figures is about your short game is or how much you can improve it not the type of ball you use.

You have to turn bogies in to pars doubles into singles and cut out the trebles.
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A premium ball will absolutely help in my experience. The one thing nobody is talking about? Putting. I put with a Srixon Z-star better than any ball I have ever rolled. I choose that ball largely for that reason. It is a fantastic ball. I played the Precept Laddies for years. Hell, I remember when it wasn't even called a Laddie. Men were buying the Precept Lady balls and using them. Then Precept got wise to this and put "Laddie" on the side of the ball so more men would buy it. Fantastic golf ball for the price, no doubt about it. But there is no comparing the Laddie to a Srixon Z-star or Titleist ProV1. Apples to oranges. The ability to get close to the pin often requires some spin. Not the kind that backs up 20 feet on TV, but the real kind any of us can use. The kind that hits the green, bounces and stops pin high with your gap/sand/lob wedge. The kind of spin that allows you to fire at the pin at times with confidence. Then getting up there and making 6-12' putts instead of lagging a 20-25' putt. The difference is night and day in these two scenarios. Even if just on 3-4 holes you could do what I mention above, that is the difference in shooting 82 and 79. Does the ball make a difference. Hell yeah. Otherwise folks would not be shelling out $35-45/dozen for golf balls. Well, most folks wouldn't I should say. Try a box of Z-stars out and see if you don't agree. They are currently on sale too. I bought 6 dozen last week. Mostly in the hi-viz yellow. I love that ball. The Golf Warehouse website, Dicks, local golf shops, etc.. are selling Srixon Z-stars/Z-star X (white or hi-viz yellow) two dozen for $59.99 ($29.99/dozen). That is a great price on this ball. Play one round with the Z-stars and your opinion of the Laddies may change. Mine did. I still keep Laddies in my bag for off days or when I have not played in a while. For the money, they are top dog. Just not Z-stars.


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A better ball is going to help you inside of 100. But, it might make the game tougher on full shots unless you like to work the ball.

You can score well with a 'rock', but you just CANNOT short side yourself because it's much harder to pitch/chip into a green with no green to work with. You have to play less agressively with a rock because of this.

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You can score well with a 'rock', but you just CANNOT short side yourself because it's much harder to pitch/chip into a green with no green to work with. You have to play less agressively with a rock because of this.

The Laddie-x isn't a rock, it's quite soft.

I played the Precept Laddies for years. Hell, I remember when it wasn't even called a Laddie. Men were buying the Precept Lady balls and using them. Then Precept got wise to this and put "Laddie" on the side of the ball so more men would buy it. Fantastic golf ball for the price, no doubt about it. But there is no comparing the Laddie to a Srixon Z-star or Titleist ProV1. Apples to oranges. The ability to get close to the pin often requires some spin. Not the kind that backs up 20 feet on TV, but the real kind any of us can use. The kind that hits the green, bounces and stops pin high with your gap/sand/lob wedge. The kind of spin that allows you to fire at the pin at times with confidence.

Have you really played with the Laddies? If so they hop and stop fine on normal greens and even zip back a bit when the greens are playing soft. You say that to get close you need some spin which Laddie-x gives plenty of. The Laddie-x bounces and stop just fine at the pin given proper adjustment.

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The biggest difference I see is around the greens. I feel I can control the ball on short pitches a bit better and predict how it will react as I us spin to control the ball and not trajectory. I don't pitch the ball super high unless I have to and then I feel like I loose my ability to land it where I want to so it is more of a guessing game. Just the way I do it and makes premium balls worth it to me (well I don't buy balls, I find enough hunting that I bought 3 dozen pro v1 practice last winter and haven't bought any since).

I honestly see little difference in full shots. In the wind I like playing a ball that spins less as it is easier to drive into a head wind. If the course is playing softer I will use a NXT to get a little extra distance b/c I know it will react similar on soft greens when I pitch it.

Brian

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Thanks everyone. I chip alot with prov1's that I find. And to me,they chip lower with alot more spin. With my testing and my stroke, I think they would probably help alittle on 50 yds and in. But not enough to justify cost. I usually stop a ball with no rollout on most full shots, and play for rollout on most short shots. Most of all the feedback from what you guys gave is pretty much what I expected. I just needed more validation. One strange thing though. And I swear this is not an exageration. Half of all balls I find in hazards are prov1's. Of all the players I've seen that play prov1's would greatly benefit from a lower spinning cheaper ball. I have seen beginners put ball after ball in the water. That adds 20 bucks to the price of a round! The bay area in Cal. must be the prov1 captol of the world. Anyways, thanks gain guys
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Just a note, my understanding from talking to the retail buyer at our pro shop is that Precept is discontinuing the Laddie. Guys who like it may have to go back to using the Lady.

Rick

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Just a note, my understanding from talking to the retail buyer at our pro shop is that Precept is discontinuing the Laddie. Guys who like it may have to go back to using the Lady.

That is bad news if true. I'll buy another pack or two this weekend.

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The Laddie-x isn't a rock, it's quite soft.

Well... I said I had played the Laddies for years, before they were even called Laddies, and currently have some in my golf bag. So yes, it is safe to assume that I have in fact played a Laddie. There is no comparison in how this ball works (for me) compared to a Srixon Z-star. Glad you like the Laddies, but suggesting someone is lying because you have a different opinion is quite rude. -Dan
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I've played the same ball for many years. Precept Laddie, 19.99 for 2 dozen. I dont try other balls for money reasons. What can I expect from more premium balls? I average 250 off the tee, 150 yd. 7 iron. And average from 80 to 84 on my local courses. I would love to get into single digits. Do you guys think a premium ball would help? In other words, would a scratch golfer still be scratch if he played with my brand? I'm trying to justify the added expense. What are your guys' experiences?

Honestly the golf ball doesn't matter that much.

You might see a slight improvement in distance and a lot more spin if you upgraded to a 3 piece ball with a soft cover but if you play well with what you have and it fits well into YOUR game, don't change brother.

Driver - Taylor Made 09 Burner.
3 Wood - Callaway Diablo.
Hybrid Irons - Adams A30S
Wedges - 52* Titleist Vokey Spin Milled. 56*, 60* Taylormade Rac.
Putter - Scotty Cameron Circa 62 #1.

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Well... I said I had played the Laddies for years, before they were even called Laddies, and currently have some in my golf bag. So yes, it is safe to assume that I have in fact played a Laddie. There is no comparison in how this ball works (for me) compared to a Srixon Z-star. Glad you like the Laddies, but suggesting someone is lying because you have a different opinion is quite rude.

Also, you gotta make sure that Laddie's compression is right for you. If you hit a 250 yard drive, you should swing around 95mph or more. At that speed, you might see more distance out of a ball with higher compression.

Driver - Taylor Made 09 Burner.
3 Wood - Callaway Diablo.
Hybrid Irons - Adams A30S
Wedges - 52* Titleist Vokey Spin Milled. 56*, 60* Taylormade Rac.
Putter - Scotty Cameron Circa 62 #1.

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It depends on your type of game. I play pretty much irons only, and I hit balls with really high trajectory, so everything pretty much lands and stops. Hell, I've backed up 4 irons in the fairway. So if I decided I liked a ball, but it was high-spin, It wouldn't work. As someone above suggested i believe, get fitted for a ball, it's probably your best bet for lowering scores.

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3 Wood:  XL

Irons: 4-5:  AP1; 6-PW:  XL

Wedges:  Tour Grind, 52°/60°

Putter:  White Hot XG #9

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Good points for sure. We all play differently. I drive 2-3 drives over 300 yards each round. However, I don't get as much spin as I would like with my irons, a reflection of my not hitting the ball as crisply as I would like no doubt. One ball works for one, but perhaps not another. Much to be said about being fitted for a golf ball. Granted, that is simply trial and error for most of us. I found the Srixon Z-star to be my favorite. The hi-viz yellow goes further too. Well, not really, but I like it anyway. Ha ha..


-Dan
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