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post #55 of 62
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 

 

The advantage of doing a true PGM thing is that you're a PGA member at the end. No such thing with a regular degree and "working your way up."

 

True, but I was saying that simply getting a regular degree and working your way up is a better alternative than going to a for-profit. I agree that attending a PGM university is a good idea, not refuting that.

post #56 of 62
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Originally Posted by exiteye View Post
 

Before you waste your money going to a scummy school like GAA or PGCC, ask to see what kinds of jobs the graduates are getting and how much money they make.

Why spend that much money to get a $15k a year job? You are nothing but a number to those companies. Yes, companies and not schools. They are businesses who report to shareholders who see you as dollar signs. Save the money and just get a job at a golf course. Go to a real college. 

 


I've wanted to make a comment similar to yours, but hesitated to.

The indoor place I mentioned when my son was 15, he had a nice "20 something" fella as an instructor, but was clueless about the finite elements of golf. His teaching ability was severely lacking and when I pointed out the problems to him, I got a blank stare.  I went to the owner of the place and he was all lip service.

 

Fast Forward to Summer 2013

My son interned at a local country club.  He was showing 8-12 year olds how to hold a club (I hesitate to say he was teaching a class).  He noticed someone off in a corner just watching.

As he walked away, the fella came up and asked "Aren't you the fella I had as a student  at XXXXXX"?  My son recognized him, "Oh yeah".

The fella apologized about how poorly he did and told him "Make sure you tell your Dad, I'm really sorry, that place is a joke".

 

He asked my son what he was doing, and my son told him he was in PGM.

The fella told my son he took the quick way and was sorry he did.  "Now looking back I can see I didn't get the education you're getting and I'm stuck".

post #57 of 62
Hello everyone,
I would like to know some information about the national university golf academy!
What do you think about this university, not in order to become a professional player but to study in this field.
How is the campus in Carlsbad?
Is it a good school?
Thanks
post #58 of 62

PGCC

GAA

Kaiser Golf College

Domestic Student Tuition & Fees: $7200

International Student

$7500

Domestic Student Tuition & Fees

$8,575

International Student

$8,920

Tuition Costs $7,702

Educational & Activity Fees

$1,792

Total Cost  $9,494

Book Costs Not  Included

Books included

Books  not included

Classroom hours 8-12pm

Mon-Fri

Classroom schedule will vary throughout the day

Classroom schedule will vary throughout the day

Golf 7 days a week after 1pm

Golf 18-36 holes/week: class schedule dependant

Golf 18-36 holes/week; class schedule dependant

Lessons starting 1 pm Mon-Fri

 private lesson PGA staff

will vary; class schedule dependant

will vary; class schedule dependant

Range Time 7 days a week

will vary; class schedule dependant

will vary; class schedule dependant

Availability to work part time in the afternoon starting at 1pm

class schedule dependant

class schedule dependant

National Placement Rate 90.1%

Placement % Not advertised

Placement % Not advertised

 

PGCC is also the only golf college that owns and operates it's own golf course in Temecula, Ca.

They hire only our graduates to run the facility. www.thelegendsgc.com

 

Visit both colleges to thoroughly check out the facilities and get a feel for the staff.

 

They are a family run business since 1990. They do not report to shareholders!

post #59 of 62
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Originally Posted by Golfin View Post
 

PGCC

GAA

Kaiser Golf College

Domestic Student Tuition & Fees: $7200

International Student

$7500

Domestic Student Tuition & Fees

$8,575

International Student

$8,920

Tuition Costs $7,702

Educational & Activity Fees

$1,792

Total Cost  $9,494

Book Costs Not  Included

Books included

Books  not included

Classroom hours 8-12pm

Mon-Fri

Classroom schedule will vary throughout the day

Classroom schedule will vary throughout the day

Golf 7 days a week after 1pm

Golf 18-36 holes/week: class schedule dependant

Golf 18-36 holes/week; class schedule dependant

Lessons starting 1 pm Mon-Fri

 private lesson PGA staff

will vary; class schedule dependant

will vary; class schedule dependant

Range Time 7 days a week

will vary; class schedule dependant

will vary; class schedule dependant

Availability to work part time in the afternoon starting at 1pm

class schedule dependant

class schedule dependant

National Placement Rate 90.1%

Placement % Not advertised

Placement % Not advertised

 

PGCC is also the only golf college that owns and operates it's own golf course in Temecula, Ca.

They hire only our graduates to run the facility. www.thelegendsgc.com

 

Visit both colleges to thoroughly check out the facilities and get a feel for the staff.

 

They are a family run business since 1990. They do not report to shareholders!

 

So I am a little confused.  In your only two posts on this site you seem to be posing as someone who has checked out these places and are touting PGCC.  But in the part I bolded you talk about "our graduates".  Which makes it seems as if you are affiliated with the one you are touting?  It also seems so since you have all the details about everything for that school and then on the other schools it is all "it depends".  So it is very curious.  

post #60 of 62
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Originally Posted by turtleback View Post
 

 

So I am a little confused.  In your only two posts on this site you seem to be posing as someone who has checked out these places and are touting PGCC.  But in the part I bolded you talk about "our graduates".  Which makes it seems as if you are affiliated with the one you are touting?  It also seems so since you have all the details about everything for that school and then on the other schools it is all "it depends".  So it is very curious.  

 

As I read the post, I began thinking the poster may be a shill.  When I saw "our graduates", I was sure.

post #61 of 62
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Originally Posted by 05Glide View Post
 

 

As I read the post, I began thinking the poster may be a shill.  When I saw "our graduates", I was sure.

 

That's what I was thinking also. Now, can he compare his "school" to a legitimate university? I would like to see him try. 

 

All things related to the education aside, many encounters I've had with students from these schools (Golf Academy of America or Pro Golfers Career College) include mentions of rampant drug use and abuse-- students using drugs on campus and on the golf course. I'm sorry, but if my sons or daughter ever wanted to get serious about playing golf or working in this industry, there's no way in he*l I'd let them do it in that kind of atmosphere. Those schools have so few students so your kids would be CONSTANTLY surrounded by it. At least at a traditional college atmosphere, there are more opportunities to NOT be surrounded by rampant drug use. I'm well aware that drugs are everywhere, kids experiment, yada yada yada (heck, even in middle schools) but it seems like at a small academy, it would be more concentrated. If I'm spending $30k+ I want my kids to focus on their golf skills and not whether or not they're going to be able to play after taking bong rips or doing lines in the dorms. I wouldn't be surprised if the schools know about it, but don't do anything about it because it would mean less tuition $$ in their pockets. Shame. 

post #62 of 62

Well after all that...

 

I present this information simply for parents and the soon to be college students as something to consider while looking into a PGM career, your experience may be totally different, I hope it is.

 

My son interned at a private country club for his Sophomore Spring 2014 semester.  The course asked him to stay on as a regular employee for the Summer, so he stayed in Florida.

 

I went and visited my son a couple of weeks ago.  His golf game looked good, but I could sense something was bothering him.

During dinner he asked me "Would you be upset if I changed majors?"   Boy was I shocked.

 

"Dad I just can't see myself doing this for the rest of my life.  The career path to become a club pro is long, the guys I work for aren't making much money, some of the members and their guests are just a pain*, and working 10-12 hours a day got old fast".

 

*He then gave me a few examples, he understands personal interaction can be a pain anytime and anywhere, it's part of life.

I saw one adult guest act like a total jerk because he didn't understand country club policy and then to take out on an employee is unacceptable.

 

When we visited college 3 years ago, we heard more than once that the drop-out rate for PGM is roughly 50%.  I attributed that to the extra golf work involved along with academic work, I now question that.

 

I met a few students and club workers that had already or were thinking about leaving PGM for reasons similar to what my son mentioned.

 

I would like to suggest that perspective students and parents look closely at the downside (that's never mentioned) during their decision process.

 

Good Luck,

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