My Swing (iacas) - Page 6

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Originally Posted by Tiger90 

This is my opinion,

Before you begin, here's the thing about opinions on this forum (I'm not going to say they're like backsides - everyone's got one): having an opinion is great. It's welcome, it's why we're here.

But the best opinions are the ones that have some sort of "backing" to them - some reason why you believe them that you can share with others. There's a world of difference between "In my opinion you need to do X, Y, and Z" and one that says "Do X, Y, and Z because of A, B, and C."

Let's proceed. :-)

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Originally Posted by Tiger90 

watching that video, you can see your swing path going back is a little flat, if it was on plane, your club angle would be at your shoulder, instead it is a little below.  SO, it looks as if you are going to hit a draw...and then the way you held your hands, it looks like your are holding your finish for a cut.  So im not really sure what the flight path of your ball would be....

We're on page six, so I'm not sure which video you're referring to. The most recent video is in post #70 (the shank video).

I don't think you and I would agree with our definitions of "on plane." That's as on plane a motion as I've ever made, in my opinion. The clubhead and my hands virtually never leave the plane line I'm trying to hit. At the top of my backswing my left arm plane and my shoulder plane are matched and my right shoulder is behind the arm so you can't see it.

I'm not hitting a cut shot in that video (it's a shank, again) - if it had hit the clubface the path would be to the right. Flight path? Push draw. Maybe a push. Again, if it wasn't a shank. :)

If you're referring to another video, please let me know which one.

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Originally Posted by Tiger90 

I would try to make your swing not so flat, and maybe rotate more through your finish.  It is a lot harder to make solid contact with a flat swing, usually hit the ground first

You're partly correct in that a flatter swing will have point of tangency issues and the clubhead arc will tend to be shallower through impact than a steeper swing. But, I can assure you that I don't have much trouble with contact.

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Originally Posted by sk golf 

He does not need to increase his rate of closure, or "rotate his hands" to hit a draw.  For him to hit a proper draw the face just needs to be open to the target line, but closed to the path. 

Bingo #2 SK. Good work today. :-)

Oh boy. Here goes nothin'…

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Originally Posted by Zeph 

What made you look at your elbow and amount of rotation? Just fidgeting with the swing as usual or related to some issues?

Well, my swing's always been a tad lower, and I've worried for a year or so about the proper amount of ascent. I have NO problem getting the club deep enough, but do so slightly improperly, so it all kind of mixes together. I'd get the club deep and not ascended enough by letting the right elbow get too far around my shirt seam, then I'd do that steepening of the shaft in transition to feel like the left arm got high enough, but with my right elbow too far behind me I'd have to work it around my rib cage a bit rather than getting it down in front.

I think we've got it now, though. If you think about the previous feeling it was quite similar: going pitchy really early in the backswing also prevented me from getting my right elbow back around the shirt seam, because just as it would want to I made the elbow go pitchy.
 

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Originally Posted by Stretch 

Prospective student walks into GE and runs into Erik. I can see the conversation now:

 

"So, do you guys favor any particular training aids when you're working on people's swings?"

 

"Well, personally, I like repeatedly thump myself in the nuts with a hard rubber ball on the end of a metal rod."

It's more of a firm foamy ball, Stretch. 

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Originally Posted by secondary 

I work on this in a mirror, the keeping the right elbow in front of shirt seam, my feeling is that I have to go much more "walrus" than "war chant".  Almost just lift the right arm straight up to start the swing.  I can't actually hit balls yet, and this has NEVER seeped into my real swings, but I "feel" like that is a good path for someone who gets too deep.  Is there any of that feeling for you when you actually get into a good position at the top of your bs?

Walrus is side to side, war chant is up and down, so I'm a bit confused what you mean about "lift the right arm straight up" being "more walrus."

To be honest I think my swing is about 50/50 of both and they both start a bit later, around A2. A1 to A2 I'm starting the handle going inward and, ideally, loading #2 a bit more quickly. Then I do little else but go 50/50 between those with a little bit of #3 late, around A3.5. That's if I had to force some thoughts about war chant/walrus.

I get deep because I simply let the right elbow keep migrating. I've solved that by simply worrying about where the upper arm points or feeling my right shoulder staying more slumped forward and retracting my right shoulder blade less.

I suppose I don't like war chant/walrus because the right forearm is not the only problem going on. I've got some #2/#3 sequencing issues and some other stuff going on that complicate things a little.

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Originally Posted by colin007 

in a couple of those pics i almost see a little of Dustin Johnson, obviously not with the hands as high as his, but higher for you than they have been, and what looks like almost an imperceptible left wrist bow at P4

It's pretty flat. I'm going to play around with feeling a bit more dorsiflexion (cupping) at A4 (starting at A1.5 or so) in order to stop #3 from going so far around. That's why the club's laid off a little, and could be contributing to why the right elbow migrates around a bit.

Current feelings build upon the above images:

- Hinge club more quickly (helps elbow fold sooner too)

- Right upper arm pointed away from target at top of backswing, good extensor action

- Pitchy from A3.5 on (I rarely worry about this one - I'm just trying to peg the first two for now).

But no, not really too worried about the left wrist at A4. It's pretty flat. Slight cupping, I think, will help with not rolling #3 quite so hard though.

Good eye, though. It's definitely a piece I'm looking at as it will affect the right elbow trajectory.

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Originally Posted by mvmac 

How'd the changes effect the numbers on Trackman?  I could almost see less down and smash factor going up.

I don't know. I'd guess more down, less left. Why would you imagine less down? Arms were late coming down before, my man.