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post #145 of 155
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Originally Posted by Stretch View Post

Wouldn't worry about it too much, as you have to be hitting up fairly extremely (say 5*+) before you start running into problems. The good thing about hitting up for high-speed players is it tends to lower your spin, so you don't have to trawl through the 10,000 threads on the Internet asking for the lowest-spin driver head and lowest-launching shaft.  

I have serious spin problems, even with a low launch X stiff shaft. Thanks Broseph!
post #146 of 155
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Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond View Post


From talking w a few club makers recently , TM is now more accurate w stamped lofts. Callawaycalso had the rep of having lofts higher than the stamped lofts.

The Quote above is from a club guy who tinkerered a lot, had a custom shop, and wrote about his tinkering.


Well, good to know. Then the average good golfer would see different results hitting 9,5° drivers, right? 

 

I am still playing old stuff, but was thinking about getting an R11, R11s or maybe an R1 - until I hit the R1. Compared to my old R7, there was not much gain to justify the change. Sad, but true. I try it again in late Summer.

 

I think that my swing is still the challenge to get more distance, not the new driver. Next I try to hit a few and have a TrackmanPro "look" at my drives and the AOA/dynamic loft. Will report later.

post #147 of 155
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Originally Posted by Hollister View Post


Well, good to know. Then the average good golfer would see different results hitting 9,5° drivers, right? 

 

I am still playing old stuff, but was thinking about getting an R11, R11s or maybe an R1 - until I hit the R1. Compared to my old R7, there was not much gain to justify the change. Sad, but true. I try it again in late Summer.

 

I think that my swing is still the challenge to get more distance, not the new driver. Next I try to hit a few and have a TrackmanPro "look" at my drives and the AOA/dynamic loft. Will report later.

If you hit the ball consistently in the right spot, new drivers won't change the spring-like effect - from what I've read, with the newest drivers, launch angle (higher) and COG has changed (more forward), they are more forgiving towards the edges of the face, and they are more compatible with the newer high launching, lower spinning ball. Heck, it's almost like pulling a recipe together to max out... calling Trackman or the other LM...

post #148 of 155

My drives have always been pushes. I have to intentionally flip like crazy to be able to hit it straight.

 

Just to experiment, I tried playing the ball an inch FORWARD of my front foot, teed pretty high, hitting up. Here's the video:

 

 

 

 

Just from these two pictures, you can see how much ball position would affect my drives. I'm 6'3'' with long legs, and I've always gone with the standard "inside left foot" ball position. I'm reconsidering, especially since I've read some good instructors write that they "rarely find a student with the ball too far forward." 

post #149 of 155
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dkling8 View Post

 

 

Exactly - play the ball back at all and the shaft will still not have lined up, and you'll hit pushes, push-cuts, and quick hooks.

 

Golfers who line the shaft up later (like the above) need to play the ball more forward with the driver. If they do the same with their irons, they need to learn to "throw" the clubhead a little more. (Of course, if the throwing also happens with the driver, the ball can go back to a more normal position again.)

post #150 of 155

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Originally Posted by iacas View Post

 

If they do the same with their irons, they need to learn to "throw" the clubhead a little more.

 

With the ball more forward than usual, or in a neutral position? (I assume a neutral position based on your next sentence, but I wanted to clarify).

 

For a swing with a later "release", would placing the ball further forward for irons cause AoA issues? Why do you recommend a bit of "throw" for irons instead of moving the ball up?

 

And would you recommend a little "throw" with the driver too?

post #151 of 155
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dkling8 View Post

For a swing with a later "release", would placing the ball further forward for irons cause AoA issues? Why do you recommend a bit of "throw" for irons instead of moving the ball up?

 

Because it would cause AoA issues, yes. You can't just delay the release and move the ball forward. At some point your AoA will be awfully close to 0 because the hands are going up faster than "releasing" that lag can send the clubhead down.

 


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Originally Posted by dkling8 View Post

And would you recommend a little "throw" with the driver too?

 

If you line the shaft up too late, then yes. But again, people can have different patterns with the driver as with the ball on the ground… so which way you go for each student for both the driver and the irons depends on a variety of things.

post #152 of 155
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Originally Posted by david_wedzik View Post
 

 It is fairly common to hear how a player is a great iron player but not-so-good driver or vice-versa. Trying to make the "same" swing is part of the problem.

Christ I wish I would have found this thread a few months ago....

post #153 of 155

where do hitting up and the Taylormade SLDR Loft Up campaign intersect? Separate conversations?

post #154 of 155
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Originally Posted by jgreen85 View Post
 

where do hitting up and the Taylormade SLDR Loft Up campaign intersect? Separate conversations?

 

 

Not really. Hitting up just reduces the spin loft on a driver, and increases the launch angle. So, for the SLDR, its just something to be conscious off. Meaning you'll probably need more loft if you hit, because you will see a significant drop in spin rate. 

 

So lets say you hit down on the driver, you use a 10.5 degree driver. Lets say you launch it at about 9.5 degrees with 3500 rpm. Now if you just swing up, you'll probably end up launching at 11 with much less spin. Now lets say you pick up a SLDR and hit up. You'll probably launch the same loft, but your spin rate will drop even more. So now you need to go to maybe a 12 degree driver. This way you can get some more spin to gain your optimal carry distance, and you'll probably end up launching it around at 13-15 degrees. 

 

Not exact numbers, just tossing them out as reference. 

post #155 of 155
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Originally Posted by jgreen85 View Post
 

where do hitting up and the Taylormade SLDR Loft Up campaign intersect? Separate conversations?

 

It fits in with the high launch, low spin conversation. Hitting up helps you do that, most drivers on the market help you launch it higher with less spin. SLDR has the CoG low and forward where other drivers have it low and back. So that's part of why they want golfers to loft up.

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