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r11 vs r9 FCT whats the differences and whats the point of the r11?


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hello all, I hope everyone is well.  This is my first post and was wondering if anyone can clarify the FCT on the r9 and r11 for me.  As far as I was lead to believe with the FCT on the r9, it altered the clubface and shaft angle to hit a draw or fade, i.e it allowed you to set the club neutral square with 1degree flat lie, neutral square with 1degree upright for slight draw, left which closes the face by 2 degrees with standard lie and finally open which opens the clubface by 2 degrees.  However the trajectory goes higher as you adjust it for draws and lower as you adjust it for fades. In general a fade or slice generally goes higher than a draw or hook.

What I have just read on the internet and understood is that in actual fact, taylormade kind of didnt get it right or werent as open about it and you are actually just altering the loft of the club on the R9, higher for it to go left and lower for it to go right.  why would this make the ball go right or left?. lower loft means lower ball spin which means it is easier to slice OR hook. Is this correct is this how the r9 FCT works or does it actually alter the face of  the club? If this is the case then what is the point of the r11? the only difference then is that you have the ASP to adjust the face angle which the FCT from the r9 is supposed to do anyway?

They say that they have incoroprated the same FCT from the R9 into the R11 but instead they have actually just replaced it with loft i.e. you can lower it or make it higher, if its the same then whats the ASP plate for if it should change the face angle.

As far as im lead to believe the R9 FCT lets you change face angle and lie which also somehow has an affect on the loft and the r11 FCT lets you change the loft of the club only (yet taylormade say its the same as the r9) but the r11 has the ASP which lets you alter the clubface to open or closed which the R9 FCT does anyway. so whats the differences? Im confused.

Does the R9 FCT just really alter the loft and Taylormade know that but dont sell it as that and the r11 has the new  ASP feature to change the face angle?

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I still dont get it taylormade say here the r9 forces you to change the loft and clubface position i.e. higher loft = closed. Then they say the r11 gives you the freedom to have an open face and which ever loft you want.  Yet further down it says that when you change the FCT to adjust the loft the higher loft equates to a closed position and the lower loft to an open position which is just like the r9!

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The difference is this:

With the R9 when you changed the face angle (open vs. closed) you also changed the loft (lower vs. higher).  Once you were set you couldn't make any other adjustments (save for the MWT).  With the R11 you can change the face angle (open vs. closed) on its own [i]after[/i] you change the loft.

So take a 10.5* R9 driver.  If you change the driver so that it's set up in the "R" position the face is now 2* open and the loft of the club is now 9.5*.  And that's it.  You're done.

Now take a 10.5* R11 driver.  If you change the driver so that it's set up in the "-1*" position (which is in the same location as the "R" position on the R9 sleeve) the face is now 2* open and the loft of the club is now 9.5*.  However, you can then change the adjustable sole plate to "C" (closed) which closes the face angle back 2* so that the face angle is now neutral.

What TaylorMade did a somewhat poor job of doing is explaining the relationship between the loft and face angle in the FCT.  With the R9, many people assumed that with the "R" setting they were merely opening up the clubface and that's it.  With the R11, many people have assumed that with the "-1*" setting they were merely de-lofting the club and that's it.  I don't think most people saw the press release that you linked.

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I had a club fitting with an R11 and asked the same question about it and was told by the pro that the sole plate was purely cosmetic. It only works if you ground the club. If you ground it the sole plate will simply change the angle that you see from your address position. However, it does nothing to change the loft or lie of the club when you swing it.

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