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post #919 of 1731

Well according to Dan he is now down to a 3.3 index, I can't say it's not possible but just for curiosity I decided to tabulate his "anti" handicap and that wound up being a whopping 11.1 so I decided to do my own and it was 9.5 not sure how a 5.0 will have that much less of an anti cap versus a 3.3 but there it is , he is either one of the most hot and cold golfers out there or he is trying to mix a few low scores in between his real rounds, I play right alongside guys in this index range and sure they will have an occasional low 80's round but Dan is still hitting 90 and above on occasion and the 2 tournament rounds he broke 80 on were on courses that were barely 6000 yards and not even rated to 70 basically you can get away with 230 yard drives and wedges all day on a place like that. I don't know I guess I'm just skeptical when it comes to people and their assertions on the golf course, I think Dan is going to have a very hard time getting anywhere close to scratch if he doesn't start eliminating these 90+ scores soon.

post #920 of 1731
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Originally Posted by flopster View Post

Well according to Dan he is now down to a 3.3 index, I can't say it's not possible but just for curiosity I decided to tabulate his "anti" handicap and that wound up being a whopping 11.1 so I decided to do my own and it was 9.5 not sure how a 5.0 will have that much less of an anti cap versus a 3.3 but there it is , he is either one of the most hot and cold golfers out there or he is trying to mix a few low scores in between his real rounds, I play right alongside guys in this index range and sure they will have an occasional low 80's round but Dan is still hitting 90 and above on occasion and the 2 tournament rounds he broke 80 on were on courses that were barely 6000 yards and not even rated to 70 basically you can get away with 230 yard drives and wedges all day on a place like that. I don't know I guess I'm just skeptical when it comes to people and their assertions on the golf course, I think Dan is going to have a very hard time getting anywhere close to scratch if he doesn't start eliminating these 90+ scores soon.
Yeah, that's a really, really big disparity ... Especially for somebody who's a 3.3.
post #921 of 1731
My son who's a 10 gets upset with anything over 85/71CR like today. He's just learning the mental game and needs to reel in his emotions.

I imagine that a 3 would get upset with anything over 78/71CR?

6000 yard courses do not sound like a 3 even belongs on it? Is he still driving 270? Seems like he needs to use a hybrid on all the par 4?
post #922 of 1731
Nothing's changed. I still say he should have been a 3.3 2 years ago if he's to have any chance. He should be around scratch now on 7000 yard courses. I don't like how he's giving the impression learning is linear with these hour measurements.
post #923 of 1731
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Yeah, that's a really, really big disparity ... Especially for somebody who's a 3.3.


Yes, usually when a player gets down into those index ranges they are a much more consistent player.

post #924 of 1731
My anti-hcp is 9.2. For a 3.3 to have an anti of 11.1 is borderline unbelievable.

As handicap drops, the dispersion between high and low scores tends to tighten up. For everyone except Dan.....

Time for him to start playing some tournaments where the scores are a matter of record.
post #925 of 1731
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My anti-hcp is 9.2. For a 3.3 to have an anti of 11.1 is borderline unbelievable.

As handicap drops, the dispersion between high and low scores tends to tighten up. For everyone except Dan.....

Time for him to start playing some tournaments where the scores are a matter of record.

I went an calculated mine again ... 12.2 right now, to go along with a 7.9 regular cap.  And I would consider myself an "up and down" type of player, so I'd guess the 4.3 difference to be on the higher-than-average side of things.  His is nearly double that, and to top it off, he's now a 3.3?

 

I would agree ... borderline unbelievable.

post #926 of 1731
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post

My anti-hcp is 9.2. For a 3.3 to have an anti of 11.1 is borderline unbelievable.

As handicap drops, the dispersion between high and low scores tends to tighten up. For everyone except Dan.....

Time for him to start playing some tournaments where the scores are a matter of record.

Yeah mine is 8.3 which I feel is high for a 3.8 index, but as I am right now, I spend each spring trying to find my game again after roughly 5 months off.  Dan at 11.1 and 3.3 is pretty...unbelievable.

post #927 of 1731

Are you guys discussing his HC of 20 games vs. his HC of the best 10 games and the deviation between them?

post #928 of 1731

I just posted about Mardy Fish. Granted he's a professional tennis player, but I think he and Dan have been playing about the same amount of time. Fish shot a 73 on a US Open local qualifying course. If Dan did that, I think that would be more "on track" to his goal. I want to see how Dan would do in the US Open qualifying.

post #929 of 1731
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Are you guys discussing his HC of 20 games vs. his HC of the best 10 games and the deviation between them?

 

Neither.  His index as calculated from his best 10 vs his "anti-index" as calculated off his worst 10.

 

The better the player, the more consistent they tend to be.  Comparing the 10 best scores to the 10 worst is a good way to gauge that consistency.  A difference of almost 8 strokes for a 3.3 hcp is a huge variance.

post #930 of 1731
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post
 

 

Neither.  His index as calculated from his best 10 vs his "anti-index" as calculated off his worst 10.

 

The better the player, the more consistent they tend to be.  Comparing the 10 best scores to the 10 worst is a good way to gauge that consistency.  A difference of almost 8 strokes for a 3.3 hcp is a huge variance.

 

What is an acceptable variance in your opinion.. unless there is a widely accepted number.. i.e. 3-5 strokes for example?

post #931 of 1731
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What is an acceptable variance in your opinion.. unless there is a widely accepted number.. i.e. 3-5 strokes for example?

 

 

No "widely accepted" number, but most single digit players are going to be somewhere in that 3-5 stroke range.  It'll vary a little, just as your index does, but again, better players tend to be more consistent in their scoring than mid-high hcp players.

 

Here's a good article on it from Dean Knuth.....

 

http://www.popeofslope.com/guidelines/anti.html

 

 

Edited to add that Dean says that in order for someone to be considered "steady", their anti-hcp should be under 5......


Edited by David in FL - 5/6/14 at 8:28am
post #932 of 1731
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post


No "widely accepted" number, but most single digit players are going to be somewhere in that 3-5 stroke range.  It'll vary a little, just as your index does, but again, better players tend to be more consistent in their scoring than mid-high hcp players.

Here's a good article on it from Dean Knuth.....

http://www.popeofslope.com/guidelines/anti.html


Edited to add that Dean says that in order for someone to be considered "steady", their anti-hcp should be under 5......

Very interesting article.

My son is a 12 and I am a "17", but I beat him half the time. His anti-handicap is much higher than mine. The kid nearly breaks 40s a couple weeks, then barely scrapes out 48s the next couple weeks. He depends too much upon birdies to score low, while birdies are really rare for me.

Some of that might be the ability to contain emotions as well. I had been pretty decent at competitive archery because of my ability to take pressure, and it took 3 years to translate that to golf. This is the main reason why I think golf takes so long to get mediocre and longer to get good.
post #933 of 1731

Not sure this would apply but eg. Phil Mickleson shot 75, 63 resp. two consecutive days last week same course. I realize HC variance comes from a larger statistical data group. But still this a top professional. HC/anti-HC difference of 8-9 for an amateur not so huge IMHO.

post #934 of 1731

This made me curious so I calculated my ant-hdcp. I'm a 2.6 and my anti is 6.6. I feel that I am fairly consistent but I know of some great golfers that would have less than stellar anti-hdcps just because their bad days are bad. For a 3.3 to have an anti of over 11 seems pretty high though.

post #935 of 1731

I haven't looked at the stats on this guy, but if he's claiming that HC and has that anti-hc it would seem he only does well on courses he really knows well and struggles a lot on other courses. To me, this isn't the mark of a good golfer, just one that plays his "home" courses a lot.

post #936 of 1731
In my country, hcp's below 4.5 can only play qualifying rounds on official competitions and tournaments. Is this different inthe US?
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