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post #37 of 39
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 

 

It seems like they do, yes. A few things factor in to this, too.

  1. Pros play faster greens, so even with the same capture speed, the ball will roll out farther.
  2. Rarely are pros putting from 3-4 feet after missing from 4-10 feet. You're relying on memory, while Broadie has stats (it's basically 1.2 to 2.2 feet on average, depending on whether it's uphill or downhill).
  3. Some pros don't understand the benefits of a slower capture speed. They ARE pretty good putters (though not nearly as good as people often think), so they can get away with smaller margins of error, but they also only make 96% of their three-footers. Phil Mickelson stands out as the good example here: he jams short putts quite often, and lips out quite frequently too.

 

 

Not to debate the rest of what you said (because, except for the frequency of the time they hit it 3-4 feet past, which you only even lightly implied, it seemed fine), but this is true… but not by a lot. Something like 1% of five-footers on the PGA Tour are left short versus 3 or 4% for even lousy amateurs.

 

 

I wasn't really talking about them missing a putt by 2-3 feet, could be anytime that they have 2-3 foot putt, sand shot, missed putt, chip, stiffed wedge, whatever.  

 

I think most of the time, we only see the guys making everything on tour or when the leaders or stars miss and we don't see the 30 other putts that they took, so you go by what you last saw and sometimes we forget everything else.

post #38 of 39
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Originally Posted by jsgolfer View Post
 

That wasn't my question, I should have said on short putts (2-3 feet) not long putts.  And if I'm understanding of what Iacas said, it seems like playing more break at a slower speed makes the hole actually larger and better chance of making a putt and therefore Mr. Broadie's idea of hitting the putts firm is not as accurate.

 

Let me be clear about one thing, quickly, because this is getting away from the topic of discussing the book, too.

 

It was one line in the book, and he used the word "potentially." Let's not make more of it than he wrote. The line, given what I know about putting, struck me as odd. That's all. He never really talks about it more.

 

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Originally Posted by jsgolfer View Post
 

This actually makes sense to me, but when watching the PGA Tour, it seems like a lot of pros take the hammer it into the hole approach (from 2-3 feet), especially Tiger, when making short putts and therefore their misses seem to be much further away.

 

The statistics don't bear out your recollection.

post #39 of 39
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post
 

 

Let me be clear about one thing, quickly, because this is getting away from the topic of discussing the book, too.

 

It was one line in the book, and he used the word "potentially." Let's not make more of it than he wrote. The line, given what I know about putting, struck me as odd. That's all. He never really talks about it more.

 

 

The statistics don't bear out your recollection.

Agreed.

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