Originally Posted by Jeremie Boop
Originally Posted by Dave2512
I'll take your word for it. All I know is when I play my former home course at 6412 yards, that's the tips, I stand a good chance to break 80 every time I play it. I play a lot of 9 hole golf so it's more I expect to break 40 and often do. If I played the 6097 white tees there I suspect I'd rarely not break 80 just because the abundance of short par 4's would take driver out of play and I'd still hit more wedges into greens than not. Moving back to 6950 at my home course, one up from the back tees, my scores increase. It's not a massive increase just a couple strokes but it's real. And that's if I play close to the same quality of golf. I know my par % goes down as the courses get longer and my bogey % goes up. My double or worse stat doesn't change much course to course, those holes are the anomalies. My score is usually defined by how well I take advantage of scoring opportunities and how close my first shot gets me to the hole is typically what decides it.
That's what I'm saying though, 6412 is pretty much the tips here too. Short courses, high scores here don't come from holes that can't be reached, but more from OB markers not far from the fairways and long grass areas that make it hard to find the ball. I understand where you are coming from for sure though. I just think it depends on the course and what the player's typical miss is.
The whole point of play it forward is that you play driver or 3W less often off the tee. Those are the clubs you are most likely to hit poorly enough to result in lost balls, and if you play forward, you should be hitting more tee shots with hybrids or long irons. If you are still stuck on hitting driver every hole, then no, playing it forward won't make a particle of difference in your game until you realize that driver isn't a required part of golf. My scoring became much more manageable when I came to the realization that if driver wasn't necessary, then I would probably be ahead of the game by leaving it in the bag on that tee.
Even now, as short as I am these days, I still only play driver on a maximum of 4 out of 7 driving holes on the front 9 of my home course, and sometimes as few as 2 holes. Doing so keeps me out of trouble at most of the time - I certainly have a much higher percentage of keepers - so I give myself more scoring chances. That is from the white tees at 3167 yards. The back 9 is 200 yards longer (3332 yards - 6499 total for the middle tees) and has 7 driving holes, with only the two par 3 holes played without driver, so it's not like I'm just playing timidly. I try to play smart golf, and that means in part leaving the driver in the bag when not needed. Most average amateurs would score better if they check their egos at the clubhouse.
Here is a scorecard from the Old Works, a Nicklaus design:
I've played the Copper and the Limestone tees, and the Limestone are the ones I prefer here. That 630 yards difference is huge. Ideally I'd rather have something around 6300 there, but my brother and I play the Limes and we have a good time with it. Note the Slag tees at 7705... just nuts from where I'm standing, although we sat in the restaurant eating lunch and watched other guys teeing off from the back tees on #1. That 76.1 rating tells me that I'd need about 50 yards more out of my driver to even think about it.
Edited by Fourputt - 6/14/14 at 8:57am