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I've always wondered when the PGA tour will start helping the LPGA tour just like mens college sports has to help womens sport.  Title V I think.  I love to listen to the interviews with the LPGA players when the ask them why the LPGA can get more sponsored events.  It seems like they only play every other week at best.  I hate to sound harsh but its like watching the teenage Asia tour.  Don't get me wrong those ladies are great golfers but most Americans want to see American women playing better.  This is the only way this tour stands a chance. Maybe try to combine a couple of events with the PGA tour to get more people exposed to the LPGA tour.

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Originally Posted by HerdGolf

I hate to sound harsh but its like watching the teenage Asia tour.  Don't get me wrong those ladies are great golfers but most Americans want to see American women playing better.  This is the only way this tour stands a chance. Maybe try to combine a couple of events with the PGA tour to get more people exposed to the LPGA tour.

Not quite sure about your logic.

The top female golfers in the worlds are Asian players.

How would an event combined with a PGA tournament help American female players?

The only exposure you'd get would emphasise how superb the Asian players are and how petulant and sulky the likes of Creamer and Pressel are.

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Yes the top players are Asian.  Sorry my point was the Amerian players have to get better or the tour will never get more popular.

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Perhaps instead of saying the PGA should help the LPGA we should be saying that we need to be doing more in general to help the development of girls' youth golf in this country.  The reason why the Asian women are winning is because from a very young age they are taught and trained to be the best.

If we want to compete with them, we need to start doing the same.

Personally, I couldnt care less what country the winner is from as long as its great golf.  If people are going to not like the LPGA simply because Asian girls are winning, maybe they need to get over their own racism.

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Originally Posted by HerdGolf

Yes the top players are Asian.  Sorry my point was the Amerian players have to get better or the tour will never get more popular.


I know that.That is why I wrote what I did.

The American players have to get better, but that is up to them. A joint event would be a pointless novelty.

The majority of people who post about the LPGA seem to be coming from two directions. Both moronic, both ridiculous and ignorant;

1. All Asians are the same

2. Which American player is the "hottest"?  The fact that people still mention Natalie Gulbis proves what people think about when they think about womens golf in America.

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Doesn't seem to be enough money or interest in the LPGA for U.S. female golfers to stick with it.  I'm not an expert on the LPGA, but have observed a number of the more attractive female golfers left to pursue a modeling career where as those that don't / can't model just slowly disappear from the tour because of their inability to compete with international competition.

Kind of sad when Steve Williams makes more in one tournament caddying for Adam Scott than all but 35 LPGA pro's have made all year and Scott's victory check eclipses but one female golfer in the LPGA 2011 total earmings.

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In these economic times, I can't think of a female professional sport that is wildly successful in the US. Women's tennis probably comes close to being a big money maker and maybe the professional ice skating tours. Whenever I see camera shots of the stands attending the WNBA games, I see more empty seats than full. As a generalization, men watch sports. My wife will watch the following sporting events: Superbowl commercials and Olympic gymnastics/ice skating. In America, it's the team sports with the big money NFL, NCAA football, NBA, MLB, and the NHL (which struggles). The PGA had a really good 10-15 year run, but appears to be fading a bit (loss of sponsors) The LPGA lost a lot of momentum when Lorena Ochoa stopped playing on tour. She was the best player in the world, attractive, approachable, and good on camera but suddenly stopped playing competitively. The LPGA probably hadn't had such a good TV star with mass appeal since Nancy Lopez. The LPGA has suffered a recent commissioner that was disliked by most of it's players and a terrible schedule. However, Yani Tseng is a special player. I've gone out of my way to watch her play on TV and the internet. The Solheim Cup was really good TV in '09 and I'm looking forward to watching it again next month. Female golf is wildly popular in Asia, and if the world economy improves, Asia could support the bulk of an LPGA schedule. As far as your question, the PGA probably indirectly helps the LPGA a lot with equipment testing, teaching, and tournament prep (grounds maintenance and rule enforcement). I think you are asking if the PGA will absorb the LPGA. As previous posters have suggested, if the price is right, they'd do it.

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I think the worst thing that happened to the LPGA is Michelle Wie not becoming the female Tiger Woods.  I saw her play 5 years ago.  Wow what a great player.  The crowds were huge.  Everyone wanted to see her.  I hope she gets the desire back soon.  I've been to a few LPGA events and the top 30-40 or so are really, really good.  the rest are not much better than you’re really good local player.  It’s only natural to want to see American players do better than Asian if you're from the USA.  I don’t think racism plays that much in to it.  I'm an avid golfer who watches way too much Golf Channel so I personally don’t care who wins but I tend to pay more attention when it’s an American.   Maybe the hardcore golf fans don't care who wins but the average Joe who makes up the majority of viewership does.

Interesting point about Williams making more than the LPGA players.

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Wie has said that she is on track to graduate Stanford March 2012. She made the right decision to go to school--she needed some time to develop socially/emotionally. After graduation, she should be able to devote more time and energy to her LPGA career. I agree, she has the physical gifts to contend every week on the LPGA. She'll be on the Solheim team, and I'm looking forward to watch her in this team format--she played really well on the '09 team.

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Originally Posted by TitleistWI

Perhaps instead of saying the PGA should help the LPGA we should be saying that we need to be doing more in general to help the development of girls' youth golf in this country.  The reason why the Asian women are winning is because from a very young age they are taught and trained to be the best.

If we want to compete with them, we need to start doing the same.

Personally, I couldnt care less what country the winner is from as long as its great golf.  If people are going to not like the LPGA simply because Asian girls are winning, maybe they need to get over their own racism.

Why is it that every time you seem to disagree with someone here you label it as racism?

As an American I always want another American to win and I could care less about their heritage.

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I agree with the Wie comments.......it's gotta be tough playing part time and carrying a full school schedule.  I wonder if she'll get her MOJO back after she graduates??

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In essence, the PGA Tour is competing with the LPGA Tour. Not for players, as the PGA Tour is competing with the Euro Tour (or, for example, the NBA did with the ABA), but both Tours play at about he same time for mostly the same audience (golf fans). That's probably not even the majority reason, but something to think about.

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I really couldn't care less about the LPGA Tour.  When is the last time you saw an LPGA player 200+ out behind a tree and hit a 40 yard hook and roll the ball up on the green?  Are there any other there that could.  I am not interested in seeing one of them hit driver - hybrid/long iron into a 400 yard par 4.

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Why is it that every time you seem to disagree with someone here you label it as racism?

As an American I always want another American to win and I could care less about their heritage.


Every time I disagree with someone, huh?  LOL...Ok.

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Originally Posted by HerdGolf

I've always wondered when the PGA tour will start helping the LPGA tour just like mens college sports has to help womens sport.  Title V I think.  I love to listen to the interviews with the LPGA players when the ask them why the LPGA can get more sponsored events.  It seems like they only play every other week at best.  I hate to sound harsh but its like watching the teenage Asia tour.  Don't get me wrong those ladies are great golfers but most Americans want to see American women playing better.  This is the only way this tour stands a chance. Maybe try to combine a couple of events with the PGA tour to get more people exposed to the LPGA tour.


Without the pointing of the federal funding gun no one would pay attention to women's college sports.  Why should the PGA help the LPGA?

But then again, what the hell do I know?

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I went to this week's Safeway Classic on Friday and had a great time. The golf is superb, but closer to the scale of the golf I play than the men's game is. The shots the ladies hit, I can hit too, two or three times a summer. I like LPGA golf and watch the tournaments whenever I can find the on TV.

I don't see a business need for the PGA to help, support, subsidize, etc., the LPGA, though. Nor do I see a moral(?) need to. While I sympathize with the LPGA's current situation, they will have to find their own success model. They will be better for it if they do. Hopefully, they can find a way to get to a 33 to 35-tournament schedule in the next few years, with 20-25 of them in the U.S.

As for womens' sports in general, let me offer two hypotheses for the general lack of public support for women's sports.

1. Pop Psychology: Men are wired to be competitors. Women are wired to be cooperators. In general. The idea of watching men compete seems natural and we look forward to the chance. Women competing seems odd, in a way, because our primeval wiring sees this as acting against type. So we'll watch, but our interest is lukewarm.

2. Standard setters: The best athletes, by far, are men. There is no questioning the truth of that. That is why men and women compete separately. When we watch athletes performing, we want to see the best performances that can be achieved in that sport. That's men's performances. Women doing the same thing is interesting, but not up to the standards the men set, so it's not that interesting (ML baseball vs. college softball). Exceptions that come to mind are figure skating and gymnastics, in which the men's version and the women's version are entirely different sports.

I think women's tennis got a free pass because the men's and women's tournaments are played simultaneously (at least the major tournaments are) in the same venues, and not because the quality of competition in the women's game equals that of the men's game.

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I agree that the LPGA is more like the golf average guys play versus the PGA which is what we all aspire to be able to do but very few of us ever will.  It's the same with tennis, if you want to see good back and forth action watch women's tennis.  If you want to see 150+ mph serves with just one or two back court volleys watch the men.   Some of the ladies on the LPGA aren't too bad to look at either.

I could see a point where it might make sense for the PGA and LPGA to merge or co-promote some tournaments but would require reducing the number of participants from both sides so they could get through the field during daylight hours.  As long as they hit from shorter tees the women shouldn't slow up the men too much and it might be fun to see them both on the course at the same time.  The more people that follow golf the better it is for the PGA, though I'm not sure if the PGA Tour would buy into it.

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