Shawn Clement or Stack and Tilt for a Beginner? - Page 2  

For a beginner....stick the the fundamentals

1. Grip

2. Posture

3. Alignment

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Originally Posted by Tiger90 

For a beginner....stick the the fundamentals

 

1. Grip

2. Posture

3. Alignment

http://thesandtrap.com/t/54270/fundamentals-commonalities-and-prioritization

I would most definitely go with Stack & Tilt.  As has already been pointed out, success on the PGA Tour is irrelevant when it comes to teaching a beginner.  However, if you think the number of golfers on the PGA Tour using a certain system is relevant, then you have to find it remarkable how many players who are already amongst the world's top hundredth of a percent of the top one percent of golfers would be willing to make the change to Stack & Tilt.

I cringe when I think of the 20 years of bad golf I played before discovering Stack & Tilt.  I always had a sway instead of a hip turn because all of the 'gurus' told me to get my weight on the right side.  This led to incredibly inconsistent ball-striking. Now that I've been working on Stack & Tilt, my ball-striking has improved tremendously.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger90 

For a beginner....stick the the fundamentals

 

1. Grip

2. Posture

3. Alignment

oh, crap.... are those really fundamentals to make crisp contact with a golf ball?

But I think the post above directed you...

Exactly.

Whose grip do we copy?

Whose posture do we copy?

Whose alignment do we copy?

An educated golfer can hit great shots with multiple combinations of the above... but i BET MY BOTTOM DOLLAR, the best golfer hits the ball solid.

that should be the FIRST THING, EVERY golfer should learn, bar NONE.

CONTACT IS FIRST PRIORITY IN THE GOLFING WORLD.

James
 

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Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond 

oh, crap.... are those really fundamentals to make crisp contact with a golf ball?

 

But I think the post above directed you...

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Originally Posted by james_hirshfield 

Exactly.

 

Whose grip do we copy?

Whose posture do we copy?

Whose alignment do we copy?

 

An educated golfer can hit great shots with multiple combinations of the above... but i BET MY BOTTOM DOLLAR, the best golfer hits the ball solid.

 

that should be the FIRST THING, EVERY golfer should learn, bar NONE.

 

CONTACT IS FIRST PRIORITY IN THE GOLFING WORLD.

 

James
 

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Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond 

oh, crap.... are those really fundamentals to make crisp contact with a golf ball?

 

But I think the post above directed you...

 

No sh** on the consistent contact being the first priority, but how does one get there?

Why would anyone try to exactly copy another player's swing or setup? Vijay Singh did a pretty good job of copying Tom Weiskopf based on swing sequences in Golf Digest, but his swing is his own and he did a pretty good job with that swing. He's the anomoly. Some people can find something worth copying because that player has a similar personaly and stature and other people copy a player just because they like him. A guy trying to turn himself into Charlie Wi gets applauded for sucn an admirable goal. Another guy trying to be Ben Hogan is generally considered a lunatic. People trying to copy Tiger Woods are told he doesn't have a great swing by one person and told he had the greatest swing ever by another. Guess that one depends on which Tiger swing we're talking about. Anyway, there are degrees of "copying". Copying a fairly neutral setup (grip and alignment) until determining that something else might be better is a bad thing to do from the start exacly why?

The slogan "feel isn't real" is used all the time for the swing (or the variant "feel ain't real") but feel and the setup are not unrelated. An experienced / knowledgable golfer can change their grip and or alignment and get around the course okay (that's debatable but let's assume it's true) when he or she KNOWS THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR GRIP AND/OR ALIGNMENT.  A brand new golfer needs to learn what a proper (for them) grip and alignment feel like. They need to become second nature every time they step up to the ball on the course without alignment aids and supporting videographer. They need to learn to trust they're aiming   the club, body, and swing path etc, where they THINK THEY ARE. done/

i dont deal in anomalies.  grip,  alignment, posture, stance - variable.  control of the low point, standard. 

Because with a "neutral grip" a golfer can still slice it in the water, or hook it in the trees, but with a closed face and strong grip, cut it next to a hole, or with an open face and weak grip, draw it next to the hole.

The attachment procedure should be looked at more closely when refining degrees for curvature, unless the structure is weak/incompatible and violates principles 1 (contact) and 2 (curve)

As to 'copying' someone's swing, you would need the applicable components to match to produce the same desired ball flight...

That is the beauty of understanding S&T or TGM. you don't need to "overhaul" someones swing. Just match the components to get them where they need to be.

I would agree with you, that the golfer should atleast be able to repeat whatever grip/posture/alignment they are using, if that changes every shot, then of course there are problems. (when i say an experienced golfer could play with any grip etc, i mean one that understands the geometry and attachments.)

James