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post #19 of 31
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When you say NO practice, I assume you mean that your only time at the course is actually playing, without any concentrated effort on the range or putting green. From my experience, I really doubt that you can improve over where you are now by just playing every other week or so.  Sure, some times you will hit it a little better than others, or a few more putts will drop, but overall your game will stay about the same.

 

I see it all the time.  Guys who play a "reasonable" game, say 90-100, but don't spend any time trying to improve, will always be a 90-100 player.  Just like a bowler who averages 150.  Very little chance he will become a 200 bowler without some dedicated effort.


Yes, this. I have a handful of playing buddies who play with me once every week or two but never practice... They shoot 100-110 and never get any better.

 

Even those that are posting here saying they can shoot low scores without practicing, are for the most part saying they had to play and practice a lot to *get* to that level.

 



That's exactly what I'm saying. My first 3 seasons I played pretty much every chance I got and later on practiced a lot too. I did my time.

 

post #20 of 31

I practice law.  I play golf.

 

I HATE to practice.  Started playing golf 25 years ago, and as a kid (12-18) that's pretty much all I did.  Summer I would hop on the bike and ride to the club, play all day, then ride home.  The practice green at the club was right next to the pool, so I'd chip for hours and watch the girls in bikinis.  I didn't consider it practice, I was just hanging out and hitting chips and putts.

 

When I got to college, our coach wanted us to hit balls.  And then we had to watch other people hit balls.  Then we had to hit more balls.  I grew up on the Texas gulf coast, so I learned to hit the ball about 15 feet off the ground.  I went to college in the northeast, where a higher, softer flight is ideal.  We had a tree off to the left side of our range, about 200 out.  Coach wouldn't let me even see the golf course until I could hit a 2-iron over it.

 

I HATED HITTING BALLS.

 

Still do.  When I make it to the course, I'm playing holes.  That's all I want to do.  Best I've ever been is about a 1.5 handicap, but that was when I was 18 and was chipping and putting for an hour a day, 5 days a week.  I actually hit the ball better today than I did then, but that's all equipment.  My scores are far from consistent, but half the time I'm at 76 or better, with an even dispersion of 70s and 85s.

 

So I guess I'm one of those guys who "put in the time" and now can achieve decent scores without practicing.  Whatever--I just call it fun.

post #21 of 31
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Thanks for the responses so far.  I started this thread as a reality check.  Since I got the bug I have been thinking about golf constantly.  I think it happens to just about everybody.  You start thinking about how much you have improved so far and then think about how much better you will be in a couple of years with tons of practice, new equipment, maybe some lessons etc...(You know you all did it).  Now I'm starting to come back down to earth and realize that I don't have the time or money to do all that.  Family and other commitments have to come first.

 

So now I'm trying to figure out what I can realistically expect as a middle aged family man just getting into it as a sometimes hobby.  I guess I can live with just being mediocre eventually.  It isn't what I want but somebody has to make the rest of you look good.b2_tongue.gif  Who knows, maybe I will turn out to be a natural and develop a swing all my own that future golfers will dissect and try to emulate.

 

Anyway, now I understand why we see so many threads from people that get the bug and suddenly decide that they want to be on the PGA tour.  They are usually young and haven't had life bite them in the ass yet so the sky is the limit for them.  They will eventually learn the truth and go back to what the internet was invented for, porn and video games.  Seriously, a year ago I wouldn't have watched golf on TV if someone paid me, now I am on the internet posting on a golf forum.  Is golf a game or a drug?

post #22 of 31
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Originally Posted by Kobey View Post

 

Since I have already come to the conclusion that I am not a natural, any ideas on how good I can expect to get with one round or less a week?  Who else is in the same situation and what have you experienced by way of progress over the years?


What is your current handicap?

 

Your game will only get worse over time if you play one round or less a week. If you played twice a week, or around the 100 rounds a year mark, you'd have a fighting chance of maintaining your current handicap. To improve, you simply have to practice ... even just a little bit.

 

How about prior to your rounds? Do you arrive early to warm up? If you could arrive an hour before each round and dedicate 15 mins each to your putting, chipping, pitching and bunker play that would be more or less 50 hours of practice a year.

post #23 of 31
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What is your current handicap?

 

Your game will only get worse over time if you play one round or less a week. If you played twice a week, or around the 100 rounds a year mark, you'd have a fighting chance of maintaining your current handicap. To improve, you simply have to practice ... even just a little bit.

 

How about prior to your rounds? Do you arrive early to warm up? If you could arrive an hour before each round and dedicate 15 mins each to your putting, chipping, pitching and bunker play that would be more or less 50 hours of practice a year.



I don't have a handicap and probably never will.  Average round for me on the short courses they have around here is about 110 without cheating, 100 with cheating.

 

Some good points about the practice.  I'm sure I will be able to find some time to practice, even if it is just some time hitting into a net or pitching around the yard.  I kind of took it to the extreme when I said no practice.  What I should have said was a small amount of practice but that might have confused the issue since without structured times, I can't predict how much practice I will actually get.

 

I do have a plan though.  My 7 year old is getting a set of clubs for Christmas.  If he decides he likes the game I will have to practice with him and join him for rounds on the course when he is ready.  It would be a major sacrifice on my part but as a good parent I feel it would be my responsibility to support him in every way I can.  I'll have to practice my, "I don't want to go golfing today but he wants to and I don't want to disappoint him" speech.  Then the wife might actually feel sorry for me because I had to go golfing.

 

post #24 of 31
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I don't have a handicap and probably never will.  Average round for me on the short courses they have around here is about 110 without cheating, 100 with cheating.

 

I kind of took it to the extreme when I said no practice.  What I should have said was a small amount of practice but that might have confused the issue since without structured times, I can't predict how much practice I will actually get.

 

 

If you do NO practice you'll never get any better, however in your case a little bit of practice will go a long way (you are starting out, after all). Even 10-15 mins putting practice on the carpet at home after work every night will do wonders. It'll also be great bonding time with your kid! ;-) Trust me, I have a 5-year-old son who is now getting into golf. We practice putting and even do practice swings in the living room in the evenings. He loves it and your wife will be delighted you are spending time together.

 

post #25 of 31

I know lots of genuine single figure players who never practise. Most of them play twice a week in competition. Some of them only once.

I would say that in the last 4 years, with a hundred rounds a year I have played 3 times not in competition.

We can't even hit balls before we tee off at my course.

I practise maybe once every 6 months for about half an hour and I find it the most boring thing in the world because it's a chore to walk all the way to the practise fairway - 10 minutes walk from clubhouse - you can't drive there.

I would love to hit a bucket of balls before I tee off to warm up, but can't and just accept it.

You have to remember that practise is meaningless if it's just beating balls.

 

post #26 of 31

I don't practice. Anymore. When I was playing seriously, years ago, I practiced all the time and played 4 rounds a week for score. Now I play once or twice a week, just for fun, hitting a few putts before the round but that's about it. Most rounds are in the mid to high 70s with an occasional blow-up round in the low 80s and an eve rarer sub-par round.

 

Walking a course and playing with friends sure beats sitting on the couch!  a1_smile.gif

post #27 of 31
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I know lots of genuine single figure players who never practise. Most of them play twice a week in competition. Some of them only once.
I would say that in the last 4 years, with a hundred rounds a year I have played 3 times not in competition.
We can't even hit balls before we tee off at my course.
I practise maybe once every 6 months for about half an hour and I find it the most boring thing in the world because it's a chore to walk all the way to the practise fairway - 10 minutes walk from clubhouse - you can't drive there.
I would love to hit a bucket of balls before I tee off to warm up, but can't and just accept it.
You have to remember that practise is meaningless if it's just beating balls.

But how much practice went into getting into single digits? Different people can hold the status quo, skill wise, more easily than others. Maybe they're fine with their current handicaps and don't want to practice to improve, but I doubt they got there without serious practice in the past. Like k-troop above, he put in his time to get where he is, even if he doesn't practice anymore.
post #28 of 31

Had a nice 74 today (+1.1), with four birdies and two doubles.  Left two easy birdies on the course, including a 3-footer on 17 that broke eight inches and lipped the bottom of the cup--would have been my 4th birdie in a row.  As long as I'm still doing that every now and then, I'm perfectly happy not practicing.

post #29 of 31

Kobey,

 

I do think you can get better by just playing 18 a week. I also don't have time to practice and play 9 twice a week. My handicap has consistently gone down over the past 3 years, when I started playing golf. I think the key is getting the fundamentals down, which you can do to some extent at home. For example, you can work your grip or posture/alignment in front of a mirror. Course management can be learned not only by playing, but reading and thinking about golf. And I learned the distances my irons go by playing on the course, not at the range. 

 

So basically, don't lose hope or settle for triple digit scores. Keep playing and getting better!

post #30 of 31

Get a kid's club and swing it indoors.  I use my older daughters old clubs and focus on the clubface as I swing.  It's not hitting balls at the range, but it helps groove your swing.

post #31 of 31
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Trust me, as a 70s shooter, no you won't. b2_tongue.gif
The 60s look just as enticing as the 70s used to.


i am sure this is true. I remember the first time i broke 90 i was thrilled...now if i shoot above 85 i gave away several and probably not happy about it. i used to get excited about an 82 now all i think about was the 3 shots i gave away that cost me a 79!! I have no reason to think the 60's would be any different.

 

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