My Students (before and now)

**cbrian** · December 13, 2011

Some of you may know me and some of you may not. My name is Brian and I'm a golf instructor in GA. I frequent another forum and will occasionally pop in over here. However, I'm thinking of changing that a bit because the other place just doesn't seem interested any more. And because of that, I'm going to start "porting" over some stuff from that other forum in hopes that it will start the conversations that it failed to start before.

So here it goes. The reason I'm starting this thread is just for conversation purposes. You can ask me questions, criticize, admire, or whatever you want. I'm proud of all my students and the work that they put in and I just felt like sharing. If you have any ideas on how I could improve the thread then please feel free to share.

So first up is Scott L. This was our first lesson and I'd say he did ok.

The before: He doesn't get much hip or shoulder turn. The arms are then forced to lift off the body and overrun body rotation. That was forcing his hand path off arc and messed up his downswing sequencing. His arms had to start down first to get caught back up to the body and the rest was history.

The after: I caught him doing a drill he wanted to do. His real swing looks slightly different than this (little more run on, DS sequencing slightly different), but this is a good idea of where he was at the end of the lesson and where he is moving with his swing. Anyways, his right leg loses more flexion which helps the hips turn on a better pitch and also helps free up the shoulder turn. The shoulders are turning steeper and deeper (probably like 30ish degrees more). Hand path is getting much deeper now as well. Arms stay in sync with the shoulders, which makes his downswing sequencing easier. In the DS he is just concentrating on getting weight left and turning.. letting the arms follow more than lead.

Unfortunately Scott has been busy recently with life stuff, so we haven't gotten around to completing the project. However, maybe things will open up again and we can get some more work done.

Enjoy.

**mvmac** · December 13, 2011

Yes, this will be a thread where Brian will share video, pics of his work with his students. Always interesting to see what students are working on the how the instructor is going about it. Always something to learn. I've been keeping track of Brian and like the information he shares and great to see how he's progressed into becoming an instructor. Great to have you posting on here!

Re: Mr. L

Nice changes, that's a tough one, lots of disjointed pieces. Got to address P4-P5 right away.

RC · December 13, 2011

Hope you have permission to post other's swing vids, but I think your topic is a very good one. People can learn by both watching and then being instructed as to what to watch for. Different instructors look for different key aspects of a swing, but it is amazing how a good swing is a good swing with two (or more) entirely different sets of reasons or opinions why. A good swing has qualities that remain within an acceptable range during the key moments just prior, during and after impact. I enjoy reading and learning about various reasons and opinions about how to get to the golden but dynamic positions of a good swing.

**cbrian** · December 13, 2011

Originally Posted by mvmac

Yes, this will be a thread where Brian will share video, pics of his work with his students. Always interesting to see what students are working on the how the instructor is going about it. Always something to learn. I've been keeping track of Brian and like the information he shares and great to see how he's progressed into becoming an instructor. Great to have you posting on here!

Re: Mr. L

Nice changes, that's a tough one, lots of disjointed pieces. Got to address P4-P5 right away.

Thanks Michael. I appreciate you guys letting me share here. You and Erik have always been very generous. Like I said before, really the only reason I haven't posted more here was that I have a hard time following stuff on the phone. Erik needs to get on a mobile version

Originally Posted by RC

Hope you have permission to post other's swing vids, but I think your topic is a very good one. People can learn by both watching and then being instructed as to what to watch for. Different instructors look for different key aspects of a swing, but it is amazing how a good swing is a good swing with two (or more) entirely different sets of reasons or opinions why. A good swing has qualities that remain within an acceptable range during the key moments just prior, during and after impact. I enjoy reading and learning about various reasons and opinions about how to get to the golden but dynamic positions of a good swing.

Permission? I think you misunderstood. These are videos of my students and their progress (so my videos). I'm just slowly copying a thread that I started elsewhere to here.

Which brings up a good point, I'm going to be slowly adding in new students to this thread to give people the time to comment, ask questions, or whatever. For instance, I think the next one I add will be Scott's son Tyler. Its a pretty crazy change...

**james_hirshfield** · December 13, 2011

Very nice changes you've made there.

Some excellent work and a testimony to both you and Mr L.

When you get a chance, some knee work and follow through stuff as long as the backswing doesn't stray too far from there.

**cbrian** · December 13, 2011

Originally Posted by james_hirshfield

Very nice changes you've made there.

Some excellent work and a testimony to both you and Mr L.

When you get a chance, some knee work and follow through stuff as long as the backswing doesn't stray too far from there.

Thanks James. Will do if I get the chance.

**cbrian** · December 16, 2011

Time for another installment. Here's Tyler as promised.

I met Tyler this summer when he was struggling with.... what he was working on. We have made some great progress since that time. I'm really, really proud of this kid. I can't wait to see where he ends up.

As for the changes... they are not hard to pick up on, so I'll let you guys figure it out for the most part. However, I will say that we are working on getting more extension post impact so there isn't as much fall and compression. And he was standing a little too close in the after DTL shot. Part of his homework was to work that change into his routine.... although, I think some of it is that his clubs need to be adjusted.

Anyways, this is just the beginning. More to come from this kid for sure.

**sean_miller** · December 16, 2011

Originally Posted by cbrian

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC

Hope you have permission to post other's swing vids, but I think your topic is a very good one. People can learn by both watching and then being instructed as to what to watch for. Different instructors look for different key aspects of a swing, but it is amazing how a good swing is a good swing with two (or more) entirely different sets of reasons or opinions why. A good swing has qualities that remain within an acceptable range during the key moments just prior, during and after impact. I enjoy reading and learning about various reasons and opinions about how to get to the golden but dynamic positions of a good swing.

Permission? I think you misunderstood. These are videos of my students and their progress (so my videos). I'm just slowly copying a thread that I started elsewhere to here.

Which brings up a good point, I'm going to be slowly adding in new students to this thread to give people the time to comment, ask questions, or whatever. For instance, I think the next one I add will be Scott's son Tyler. Its a pretty crazy change...

Not much to misunderstand really. You're not saying you have permission to post videos of your students (including the kid above). You're saying you don't need their permission. Didn't know that. It would sure makes me second guess having a video lesson if I was a beginner.

**david_wedzik** · December 16, 2011

Originally Posted by cbrian

Time for another installment. Here's Tyler as promised.

I met Tyler this summer when he was struggling with.... what he was working on. We have made some great progress since that time. I'm really, really proud of this kid. I can't wait to see where he ends up.

As for the changes... they are not hard to pick up on, so I'll let you guys figure it out for the most part. However, I will say that we are working on getting more extension post impact so there isn't as much fall and compression. And he was standing a little too close in the after DTL shot. Part of his homework was to work that change into his routine.... although, I think some of it is that his clubs need to be adjusted.

Anyways, this is just the beginning. More to come from this kid for sure.

Just ran across this thread...nice work with Tyler here. Glad to see before and afters where people are working on the right things. Seriously, very nice, couldn't possibly tell what you worked on though :>)

Dave

**sacm3bill** · December 16, 2011

Originally Posted by sean_miller

Not much to misunderstand really. You're not saying you have permission to post videos of your students (including the kid above). You're saying you don't need their permission. Didn't know that. It would sure makes me second guess having a video lesson if I was a beginner.

I'm with Sean. I'd be very surprised and a bit rankled if I found a video of myself with first name and last initial up on the internet without at least first being informed that that was a possibility.

**cbrian** · December 16, 2011

Besides the fact that I own the videos, the only point of posting them was to display their hard work and maybe get some conversation going about the changes. I'm very proud of the work my students put in and I think its nice for others to see the results of that work. Also, I think the videos can help others get better. So win-win in my opinion.

And on top of all of that, each person gets a link to their video and can ask me to have it moved to private if they so wish. None have requested to this point.

I appreciate the concern, but honestly, its unwarranted and more than a little distracting.

**cbrian** · December 16, 2011

Originally Posted by david_wedzik

Just ran across this thread...nice work with Tyler here. Glad to see before and afters where people are working on the right things. Seriously, very nice, couldn't possibly tell what you worked on though :>)

Dave

Thanks Dave. I appreciate the information you guys put out there for us. It has really helped me get better at what I do.

**sacm3bill** · December 17, 2011

Originally Posted by cbrian

Besides the fact that I own the videos...

Hey, no worries. It's just unusual for an instructor to have "ownership" of their student's videos in the same sense that a modeling agency has ownership of a model's photo shoot (for example), which is what your situation is sounding like.

Originally Posted by cbrian

And on top of all of that, each person gets a link to their video and can ask me to have it moved to private if they so wish. None have requested to this point.

Which is fine, but different than if you were posting without their knowledge or permission, which is how it sounded at first to me (and at least 2 others apparently, FWIW.)

Originally Posted by cbrian

I appreciate the concern, but honestly, its unwarranted and more than a little distracting.

As far as being unwarranted, that's one opinion, but other opinions are valid I think. As far as distracting, sorry about that but I think it was worth pointing out the privacy issue in case you had not considered it (and your initial responses seemed to imply that you hadn't.) Sorry for the hijack, please carry on.

**Tifosinumerouno** · December 17, 2011

On the DTL with Tyler, it looked like he was doing what I do, hitting a pretty good position in the backswing, but with early extension just before impact. Looking at his FO vids, though, I see why, since he was sliding way off the ball first. I may slide back a small amount, maybe an inch or two, but certainly not to that extent. Did you have him do any drills to help that, or did the centered pivot work fix it on its own?

**cbrian** · December 17, 2011

Originally Posted by sacm3bill

Hey, no worries. It's just unusual for an instructor to have "ownership" of their student's videos in the same sense that a modeling agency has ownership of a model's photo shoot (for example), which is what your situation is sounding like.

Which is fine, but different than if you were posting without their knowledge or permission, which is how it sounded at first to me (and at least 2 others apparently, FWIW.)

As far as being unwarranted, that's one opinion, but other opinions are valid I think. As far as distracting, sorry about that but I think it was worth pointing out the privacy issue in case you had not considered it (and your initial responses seemed to imply that you hadn't.) Sorry for the hijack, please carry on.

Look, I decided to start posting more over here because I thought I could get more positive discussion going. I didn't expect for people to publicly accuse me of whatever you guys are accusing me of. You didn't send me a pm, you didn't ask. Just something I thought I should point out in case you hadn't considered it.

Originally Posted by Tifosinumerouno

On the DTL with Tyler, it looked like he was doing what I do, hitting a pretty good position in the backswing, but with early extension just before impact. Looking at his FO vids, though, I see why, since he was sliding way off the ball first. I may slide back a small amount, maybe an inch or two, but certainly not to that extent. Did you have him do any drills to help that, or did the centered pivot work fix it on its own?

Like most people he early extended for a reason. For one, he was physically getting closer to the ground. And the other being that he was making the club longer by dumping everything early. He ran out of room and had to get out of the way.

So the fix was a little more involved than just achieving the more stable axis (still needs work), but that was a piece of the puzzle.

**The_Pharaoh** · December 17, 2011

Originally Posted by cbrian

Look, I decided to start posting more over here because I thought I could get more positive discussion going. I didn't expect for people to publicly accuse me of whatever you guys are accusing me of. You didn't send me a pm, you didn't ask. Just something I thought I should point out in case you hadn't considered it.

And please keep doing so, cbrian. I am enjoying your before and now threads, and learning a lot. You should be proud of the great work you have done with these students.

Ignore the troublemakers on here. I was thinking the same thing, why didn't they just PM you or PM the administrator of the site if they were so concerned. I am still trying to work out why any student would have a problem with their swings being used in this way. Other than shyness, of course.

**sean_miller** · December 17, 2011

I agree that if someone questioned the right to use a person's image on the internet for their business, it should have been it's own thread. Sorry - didn't mean to participate in a threadjack - carry on.

**johnthejoiner** · December 17, 2011

The face on video of Tyler is brilliant, its hard to believe its the same guy. When dramatically improving his hip turn to eliminate the massive hip stall, did you find that it automatically got rid of his casting and flipping

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