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**carpediem4300** · January 16, 2012

Guys Hard to explain without a swing video, im using my mobile as i dont have computer access But title says it all, i shank pretty much every iron shot except my wedges, which now im occasionaly shanking, Ive read the stack and tilt manual hundreds of times but cannot figure it,.....a few months ago i was hitting lovely draws with my driver and long draws witb my irons and shooting low 80s Im now pushing/slicing my driver and shanking/thinning my irons and shooting in the 100s Despaired isnt the word, please help, i love this method of swing as it suites my natural shallow swing plane tendency much better than a traditional swing I must of shanked 4/5 shots down the range earlier, amd very nearly cried! Someone save me!

**Ernest Jones** · January 16, 2012

That's scary. Reading it almost made me cry for you! Thanks for posting it, I'll be reading the replies just in case it ever happens to me. Going from 80's to 100's must be devastating!

**JetFan1983** · January 16, 2012

Here's one thing you should know already if you don't: There's a simple fix for every swing flaw in the game, no matter what your level. You just need to find it or find someone who is capable of finding it.

There are five S&T; instructors in the UK (I think). I recommend making a day trip or weekend trip to meet with one of them if that's possible.

I had read the Stack and Tilt book over 100 times as well, to the point where I had much of it memorized. But for the life of me, I couldn't use that knowledge with my own swing until I started to get lessons from an expert on the pattern. It changed everything and illuminated the book in a way I never thought possible. I now read the book with new eyes.

And when you show up to the lesson tee, the instructor will be thrilled to be teaching someone who has read the book as much as you have. I know my teacher was. We just got right to it, and he didn't have to spend any lesson time trying to convince me. The whole "skeptical barrier" wasn't there to begin with. I got my money's worth on that first lesson and was hooked for life.

What's also great is meeting his other students while we're all practicing there waiting for a lesson or post-lesson, whatever. It's really fun hitting balls with other S&T; students.

**sk golf** · January 16, 2012

I am not saying this is what is happening (because I can't see your swing) but a lot students that I see that shank the ball a lot their rear gets closer to the ball at impact. I also see the hands moving way up through impact. Again, just some observations.

***iacas*** · January 16, 2012

Regardless of the swing method you're using, I'm going to make a comprehensive list of EVERY cause of a shank. Here goes.

The ball is making contact with the extreme heel of the club.

There you go. There's your definitive, all-inclusive list of the causes of a shank.

Now, before you flip me the virtual bird, consider very carefully what I've said. The club has a sweet spot, and in order to shank the ball, the sweet spot is being delivered outside of the golf ball, resulting in contact towards the heel of the club.

What can cause the sweet spot to be pushed outside (used interchangeably with "to the right" for right-handed players)? A few things. In no particular order:

Weight is in the heels at setup. As you swing your body seeks to gain better balance and your weight - and thus your body - move towards the golf ball.
Arms flying off your chest prematurely. I.e. arms being too much "out" and not enough "down" coming into impact.
Simply standing too close or too far from the golf ball. Too close and you can't "get out of the way" enough, and too far and you're forced to reach for the golf ball a bit. Over-reach and blammo - shank.
Head (shoulders) moving towards the golf ball without a compensatory move in the opposite direction (Tiger adds side bend and gets closer to the golf ball, but jumps like crazy [among other things] to get back out of the way).
Exaggerated uncocking of the wrists coming into impact. Usually ties into something above, though.

Good luck.

P.S. Reading the book is great, but I don't think you have a "My Swing" thread and you don't seem to be working with an instructor. Odds are the book has helped, but I doubt your swing looks like you imagine it does, and even a lesson or two may prove eye-opening.

**carpediem4300** · January 16, 2012

Thanka for the replies guys, i know its difficult diagnosing by reading only, im just at a loss as to what to do Iacas, no swing thread, and apologies for triple posting, my phone isnt an excellent internet tool lol, I have videos on my phone of my swing, just cant load them here, ive been using v1 golf to analyse my seing and i am very flat but have a tendency to roll my left forearm alot fanning the club flat and way behind me, By the lines i draw i keep my hand on plane really well, swing after swing, but i also occasionally stand up on the backswing and gety shoulders really flat I also struggle to replicate a good swing :( Again tganks for the help

**james_hirshfield** · January 16, 2012

Gonna go out on a limb here and say forearms rolling on the downswing with the elbows apart sending SS outside.

Fix...

1) Put a range basket just to the outside of the ball... so you HAVE to miss it otherwise you hit the basket.

2) weight forward to the max with the HIPS

3) zero rotation (hips) in the downswing and keep the elbow squeezing together.

Do this in a punch shot motion to keep the sweet spot tracing the arc.

OR, you could book a lesson with James Hirshfield, he's just north of London and has spent the most time with Andy and Mike, Morad and Golf Evolution. wait, thats me!

Ok, just a little trumpet blowing, but information is very different when its on video and a trained set of eyes are watching and giving you YOUR specific piece.

**sk golf** · January 16, 2012

Originally Posted by james_hirshfield

Gonna go out on a limb here and say forearms rolling on the downswing with the elbows apart sending SS outside.

Fix...

1) Put a range basket just to the outside of the ball... so you HAVE to miss it otherwise you hit the basket.

2) weight forward to the max with the HIPS

3) zero rotation (hips) in the downswing and keep the elbow squeezing together.

Do this in a punch shot motion to keep the sweet spot tracing the arc.

OR, you could book a lesson with James Hirshfield, he's just north of London and has spent the most time with Andy and Mike, Morad and Golf Evolution. wait, thats me!

Ok, just a little trumpet blowing, but information is very different when its on video and a trained set of eyes are watching and giving you YOUR specific piece.

I second that motion :)

**carpediem4300** · January 17, 2012

James,

where abouts are you based and how much are your lessons?

I am VERY interested in this, although my money is tight at the moment due to working issues and being a temp worker,....ill keep your info and get down as soon as I can afford it, even better if you have a website

**MiniBlueDragon** · January 17, 2012

If James happens to be too far from you and you want to give Stack & Tilt a go, there are other certified instructors here in the UK - http://stackandtiltgolfswing.com/stackandtilt-instructors/

**james_hirshfield** · January 17, 2012

Warwickshire to Hertfordshire is only about an 1 and 1/2 hours drive.

I'm at Radlett Golf Center, located just off the M25, and is pretty easily accessible.

£60/hour, which includes pictures afterwards with notes and online video for you to view after the lesson.

Feel free to give me a call anytime, look forward to hearing from you.

James

**carpediem4300** · January 17, 2012

Thanks james, will be in touch when i can afford it As an update i only shanked 1/5 shots today, i adjusted my grip to a more s&t; prescribed one, focused on holding the angle of my right wrist and having a masive lateral shift prior/during my downswing,....worked a treet most of the time, hit the odd shank/push, but mostly push draws or straight draws Took me a while to figure why id lost a club length in distance, but then figured the cold had affected it somewhat Will keep on working at it, and get in touch with james when i can afford it Cheers

**james_hirshfield** · January 17, 2012

Look forward to it.

Like I said, weight forwards and not turning while keeping the elbows close together will help reduce the amount the SweetSpot rolls outside the line of compression (approaching from the inside, instead of the outside)

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