Most wins, but nobody but golf fanatics know who you are.

**uttexas** · April 16, 2012

With Carl Pettersson winning his fifth pga tournament (same number of wins as Hunter Mahan and two more than Anthony Kim), he's gotta be up there for most wins that most don't know about. add Mark Wilson to the list

**sean_miller** · April 16, 2012

Originally Posted by uttexas

With Carl Pettersson winning his fifth pga tournament (same number of wins as Hunter Mahan and two more than Anthony Kim), he's gotta be up there for most wins that most don't know about.

add Mark Wilson to the list

Prestige of the field is a factor, but so are being touted as an amateur or a rookie. Timing is a huge factor. I mean look at the events Steve Stricker's won. Not impressive on paper, but he at least "contends" in majors and his wins are typically before a major, not after them when all the hoopla is over for a week or two.

**uttexas** · April 16, 2012

If Pettersson spelled his last name differently and looked like Brad Pitt instead of Mr. Stay Puff, he'd be more well known. Agree, timing is huge: The Heritage used to be a top tier event. Pettersson beat a really good field this weekend (Donald, Kuchar, Simpson, Laird, Els, Furyk, Snedeker, O'Hair, etc) But didn't get weekend pairings with any of them or have to fight them off down the stretch.

**mchepp** · April 16, 2012

To be fair uttexas Petterson's wins seem to come at lower tier events. Greater Greensboro Open, Harbour Town, just events that are not all that well known. When he starts winning big events he will get some recognition. Mahan has won some big events like the match play and other WGC events. I personally love his swing. I think from P5 and beyond he has a fantastic move. He has some similarities to Duval. He has tons of shaft lean and swings left nicely. I am really surprised he has not contended more.

**sean_miller** · April 16, 2012

Originally Posted by uttexas

If Pettersson spelled his last name differently and looked like Brad Pitt instead of Mr. Stay Puff, he'd be more well known. Agree, timing is huge: The Heritage used to be a top tier event. Pettersson beat a really good field this weekend (Donald, Kuchar, Simpson, Laird, Els, Furyk, Snedeker, O'Hair, etc) But didn't get weekend pairings with any of them or have to fight them off down the stretch.

He needs to make the Ryder Cup team and contend in a couple majors or the Fed Ex. So does Mark Wilson. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what positions they can hit if they take the fewest strokes. It helps if they sink a lot of putts!!!

**TourSpoon** · April 16, 2012

I see it as a nice way to make a living. I would love to make a million or so a year, play golf for a living, and not have to sign autographs or get hounded in public. That has to be worth something.

**uttexas** · April 16, 2012

Yep, Ryder Cup/President's Cup helps the Q rating. Pettersson should make the Ryder Cup European team this year. If Mark Wilson plays really well this summer, might make the U.S.A. team.

**zipazoid** · April 16, 2012

Originally Posted by mchepp

To be fair uttexas Petterson's wins seem to come at lower tier events. Greater Greensboro Open, Harbour Town, just events that are not all that well known. When he starts winning big events he will get some recognition. Mahan has won some big events like the match play and other WGC events. I personally love his swing. I think from P5 and beyond he has a fantastic move. He has some similarities to Duval. He has tons of shaft lean and swings left nicely. I am really surprised he has not contended more.

I wouldn't consider The Memorial a 'lower tier' event.

I love his swing too, especially the driver swing. He's like the anti-stack & tilt player - at setup he's well behind the ball & at the top he is so loaded against the right leg. Powerful.

**brocks** · April 16, 2012

I wouldn't consider The Memorial a 'lower tier' event.

In fact, going by WGR points, the Memorial was tied for first (with Riviera) as the strongest regular PGA event of 2011, and is near the top every year. By "regular," I mean excluding majors, the Players, WGCs, and FedEx Playoff events. The Memorial awarded over twice as many points as events like the Valero and John Deere, which are what I would call "lower tier" events.

**sean_miller** · April 16, 2012

Originally Posted by mchepp

To be fair uttexas Petterson's wins seem to come at lower tier events. Greater Greensboro Open, Harbour Town, just events that are not all that well known. When he starts winning big events he will get some recognition. Mahan has won some big events like the match play and other WGC events. I personally love his swing. I think from P5 and beyond he has a fantastic move. He has some similarities to Duval. He has tons of shaft lean and swings left nicely. I am really surprised he has not contended more.

Originally Posted by zipazoid

Quote:

Originally Posted by mchepp

To be fair uttexas Petterson's wins seem to come at lower tier events. Greater Greensboro Open, Harbour Town, just events that are not all that well known. When he starts winning big events he will get some recognition. Mahan has won some big events like the match play and other WGC events. I personally love his swing. I think from P5 and beyond he has a fantastic move. He has some similarities to Duval. He has tons of shaft lean and swings left nicely. I am really surprised he has not contended more.

I wouldn't consider The Memorial a 'lower tier' event.

I love his swing too, especially the driver swing. He's like the anti-stack & tilt player - at setup he's well behind the ball & at the top he is so loaded against the right leg. Powerful.

Originally Posted by brocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by zipazoid

I wouldn't consider The Memorial a 'lower tier' event.

In fact, going by WGR points, the Memorial was tied for first (with Riviera) as the strongest regular PGA event of 2011, and is near the top every year. By "regular," I mean excluding majors, the Players, WGCs, and FedEx Playoff events. The Memorial awarded over twice as many points as events like the Valero and John Deere, which are what I would call "lower tier" events.

I need a map here - what are you guys talking about with the Memorial?

**brocks** · April 16, 2012

I need a map here - what are you guys talking about with the Memorial?

It's one of the events Pettersson won, and therefore it shows that he has won against strong fields.

***iacas*** · April 16, 2012

Originally Posted by sean_miller

I need a map here - what are you guys talking about with the Memorial?

http://www.thememorialtournament.com

**mchepp** · April 16, 2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by mchepp

To be fair uttexas Petterson's wins seem to come at lower tier events . Greater Greensboro Open, Harbour Town, just events that are not all that well known. When he starts winning big events he will get some recognition. Mahan has won some big events like the match play and other WGC events. I personally love his swing. I think from P5 and beyond he has a fantastic move. He has some similarities to Duval. He has tons of shaft lean and swings left nicely. I am really surprised he has not contended more.

I wouldn't consider The Memorial a 'lower tier' event.

I love his swing too, especially the driver swing. He's like the anti-stack & tilt player - at setup he's well behind the ball & at the top he is so loaded against the right leg. Powerful.

Yeah, good call on the Memorial. I had forgotten about that.

The thing about his swing, is like Bruce Leitzke you wouldn't teach it, but they both do things right when it counts. Not sure I would call it anti-S&T;, but that is not the point of this thread.

**LuciusWooding** · April 16, 2012

Rickie Fowler is probably a lot better known than Petterson because he's in commercials. Yet Fowler has yet to get an actual win and has few good finishes. Ryan Seacrest is also better known than myriad people in the television industry who actually serve a purpose. That's how fame works.

**newtogolf** · April 17, 2012

Seacrest is famous because he worked on the top rated show for the last 10 years. Anyone that had Seacrests job would likely be famous if they held onto it.

Rickie is famous because the PGA made a decision to promote him to attract the male 18-25 and female demographic. Rickie has yet to deliver the game to match the hype.

Petterson isn't as famous because the PGA hasn't shown an interest in promoting him and he hasn't won enough big events to gain name recognition like Phil, Bubba, Rory, etc. Even on Sunday you could tell the announcers were hoping Zach Johnson would close the round with birdies to challenge for the win because they knew no one really cared about Petterson winning. The PGA Tour site didn't even have a picture of Petterson up or any mention of his victory on the front page of their site after 3:00 this afternoon, it was almost a non-event.

Originally Posted by LuciusWooding

Rickie Fowler is probably a lot better known than Petterson because he's in commercials. Yet Fowler has yet to get an actual win and has few good finishes. Ryan Seacrest is also better known than myriad people in the television industry who actually serve a purpose. That's how fame works.

**Shorty** · April 17, 2012

Do you think that anyone except diehard golf fans would have heard of Hunter Mahan, Brandt Snedeker, Steve Stricker or Bill Haas?

Or any one of 50 other tournament winners ovr the last 5 years? Non golf fans have heard of Tiger Woods, John Daly, Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer.

**LuciusWooding** · April 17, 2012

Originally Posted by Shorty

Do you think that anyone except diehard golf fans would have heard of Hunter Mahan, Brandt Snedeker, Steve Stricker or Bill Haas?

Or any one of 50 other tournament winners ovr the last 5 years? Non golf fans have heard of Tiger Woods, John Daly, Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer.

There's also a good case for Mickelson, but I agree.

And you also forgot Happy Gilmore.

**VOX** · April 17, 2012

I'm going with Jeev Singh

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