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  1. 1. Have you ever improved your lie? Don't lie!

    • Yes! And I feel guilty about it. (Honest answer)
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    • Yes! And I don't feel guilty about it. (Honest answer)
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    • Yes! And I don't care what anyone thinks. (Honest answer)
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    • Yes! And I'm too stupid to care. (Honest answer)
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    • Yes! But I would never admit to it. (Honest answer)
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    • No! I have never improved my lie. (Liar)
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I hate this shot. I will almost always improve my lie in this situation. I even send my playing partner away so that I can do this. I tell him that he is putting me off and insist he keeps his distance and as he moves away I flick the ball about an inch or so to a better lie. I'm sure he talks about me to his friends but I never get penalized. Do I feel guilty?

As I don't really have a conscience, then no.

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Originally Posted by Anjew

Well, at least we seem to figure it out pretty quickly. Can his IP address be banned?

Erik will deal with him when he's back.

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But I thought p57 was an angel sent down from up on high to instruct us in the ways of the magical swing.

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Originally Posted by Anjew

Well, at least we seem to figure it out pretty quickly. Can his IP address be banned?

I have no idea what you little minions are on about but I would like to be not banned.

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Well, the patronizing sermon isn't there, so I'm going to assume not p57 for now.  Either way, this isn't so much a setup for epic forum nastiness, so I'll bite...

On the OP, it really depends.  I can't say I've ever actually had a real plug from the action of my own ball on the fairway.  I've had plugged lies on the green a few times, and I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that you can mark, fix the ball mark, and play as normal from there.  On the fairway that's never happened to me when there wasn't legit casual water from which I took a free drop.

I have hit shots into unfixed divots on the fairway, and there was a time when I'd improve my lie but I haven't done that in a long time.  Just last month actually my best drive of the day ended up dug nice into a divot in the middle of the fairway, and I hit sort of a long distance chip that didn't end up on the green.  I remember that shot cause I was pissed about not getting the easy chance at the green I'd thought I was gonna get when I hit the drive!

I have more recently improved my lie on a fairway for a different reason though.  I play a course pretty regularly where I really like the layout and the greens are really nice considering the price, but the fairways are absolute s**t.  There are many fairways where in my landing zone it's literally hard packed dirt, edging towards concrete levels of hardness, absolutely zero grass of course.  When I hit the fairway, get to my ball, and it's sitting on brown concrete, I take a free ("local", as in "personal" rule) drop onto the nearest part of the fairway that actually has grass, no nearer the hole.  That course is currently totally redoing the fairways one at a time, so apparently there were enough patrons who refused to mark their own ground under repair and who were pissed about always hitting off concrete :)

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Originally Posted by mdl

Well, the patronizing sermon isn't there, so I'm going to assume not p57 for now.  Either way, this isn't so much a setup for epic forum nastiness, so I'll bite...

On the OP, it really depends.  I can't say I've ever actually had a real plug from the action of my own ball on the fairway.  I've had plugged lies on the green a few times, and I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that you can mark, fix the ball mark, and play as normal from there.  On the fairway that's never happened to me when there wasn't legit casual water from which I took a free drop.

I have hit shots into unfixed divots on the fairway, and there was a time when I'd improve my lie but I haven't done that in a long time.  Just last month actually my best drive of the day ended up dug nice into a divot in the middle of the fairway, and I hit sort of a long distance chip that didn't end up on the green.  I remember that shot cause I was pissed about not getting the easy chance at the green I'd thought I was gonna get when I hit the drive!

I have more recently improved my lie on a fairway for a different reason though.  I play a course pretty regularly where I really like the layout and the greens are really nice considering the price, but the fairways are absolute s**t.  There are many fairways where in my landing zone it's literally hard packed dirt, edging towards concrete levels of hardness, absolutely zero grass of course.  When I hit the fairway, get to my ball, and it's sitting on brown concrete, I take a free ("local", as in "personal" rule) drop onto the nearest part of the fairway that actually has grass, no nearer the hole.  That course is currently totally redoing the fairways one at a time, so apparently there were enough patrons who refused to mark their own ground under repair and who were pissed about always hitting off concrete :)

Very honest. I think you should click on one of these two options on the poll...

  • Yes! And I don't feel guilty about it. (Honest answer)
  • Yes! And I don't care what anyone thinks. (Honest answer)

Show me a golfer who has never improved his lie unlawfully and I will gladly throw the first jaggy rock.

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Well, the patronizing sermon isn't there, so I'm going to assume not p57 for now.  Either way, this isn't so much a setup for epic forum nastiness, so I'll bite... On the OP, it really depends.  I can't say I've ever actually had a real plug from the action of my own ball on the fairway.  I've had plugged lies on the green a few times, and I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that you can mark, fix the ball mark, and play as normal from there.  On the fairway that's never happened to me when there wasn't legit casual water from which I took a free drop. I have hit shots into unfixed divots on the fairway, and there was a time when I'd improve my lie but I haven't done that in a long time.  Just last month actually my best drive of the day ended up dug nice into a divot in the middle of the fairway, and I hit sort of a long distance chip that didn't end up on the green.  I remember that shot cause I was pissed about not getting the easy chance at the green I'd thought I was gonna get when I hit the drive! I have more recently improved my lie on a fairway for a different reason though.  I play a course pretty regularly where I really like the layout and the greens are really nice considering the price, but the fairways are absolute s**t.  There are many fairways where in my landing zone it's literally hard packed dirt, edging towards concrete levels of hardness, absolutely zero grass of course.  When I hit the fairway, get to my ball, and it's sitting on brown concrete, I take a free ("local", as in "personal" rule) drop onto the nearest part of the fairway that actually has grass, no nearer the hole.  That course is currently totally redoing the fairways one at a time, so apparently there were enough patrons who refused to mark their own ground under repair and who were pissed about always hitting off concrete :)

Not an issue in the fairway. You're entitled to relief from a ball embedded in its own pitch mark in any closely mown area through the green. A fairway bunker is another matter completely and I can't imagine anyone improving such a lie. Hence the suspicion of the op's true identity....

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Originally Posted by David in FL

Not an issue in the fairway. You're entitled to relief from a ball embedded in its own pitch mark in any closely mown area through the green.

A fairway bunker is another matter completely and I can't imagine anyone improving such a lie. Hence the suspicion of the op's true identity....

OK but this would mean you would have to click this option...

No! I have never improved my lie. (Liar)

That would make you a liar and I would have to cast a jaggy stone in your direction.

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