Originally Posted by Golfingdad
Yes! I can make bogeys all day with poor putting or poor chipping. It is reallllllly hard to make BIG numbers by hitting a bad pitch shot or a bad lag putt.
If I was able to go back and remember every "other" on my cards from the last couple of years, I would bet that 90% (or more) of them were caused by at least one poor full swing.
I disagree somewhat. I think that big numbers on a single hole are easier to achieve with poor full swing shots, but poor or even average pitches/bunker shots/putts sabotage more of my holes than full swing shots. I also think that poor short shots are far more MENTALLY draining unless you have ice water in your veins, which I don't. If you hit a tee shot OB, or into deep trees, etc., you're probably headed for double or worse, it's true. That's usually how one of my rounds blows up - I'll pull hook a long iron into the water or hit a driver into serious trouble and end up having to play sideways, then fumbling my way to a 7 or 8 or worse. One thing about a really poor pitch or bunker shot, though, is that they generally do NOTHING to improve your position. It's almost like taking a penalty stroke. If I pull hook a five iron 30 yards left of the green, I still at least advanced the ball probably between 160 and 190 yards for me, and with a great pitch (which I'm pretty good at) I may save par. Now, if I'm 50 yards away and I chunk a pitch shot, I'm probably now 40 yards away and have done nothing to improve my chances of scoring better. What's 10 yards for a pitch shot? If I shank one, I may have actually worsened my position from the fairway to the rough.
Even more frustrating, and far more common, for someone who feels they are now capable of breaking 80 consistently with a little more improvement is a mediocre pitch shot that leaves you 20 feet away instead of 6 feet away. The first is probably a bogey 14 of 15 times, the second one a bogey 7 of 15 times. That's 7 strokes given away to shots that most amateurs would say "nice shot" to when to me they cause my blood to friggin boil. And there's something much more disheartening to me about leaving with an 82 because my short game an putting failed me but my ball striking was pretty darn good, rather than an 82 where my ball striking was bad but I saved lots of ups-and-downs or made some long putts. I actually think that a terrible chip shot that looks so easy from 15 yards but you totally skull it makes my game worse for several holes afterward. Heck I quit playing golf in my early twenties because I couldn't stop shanking chip/pitch shots.
Then again, it's like the time Trevino asked Nicklaus why his wedge game wasn't that great. Nicklaus said, "It didn't need to be. I hit the ball onto the fairway, then I hit it on the green." Hence, 65/25/10 makes the most sense to me.