Kuykendall's LPG swing - Page 2

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Originally Posted by logman 

Chris, absolutely right about the "unnatural feel". Kuykendall sells a contraption that imobilizes the front wrist and he says when you can hit the ball about 90% of your distance without it on you know you've got it. And he's right ,it took me weeks to even hit the ball 50 yards then it dawned on me that the front arm must bend at the elbow to get that :laggy" feel you get in trad golf. The feeling in the front arm is like this. Imagine you've got a punching bag hanging just in front of your lead shoulder. The aim is to smack it with the back of your front hand as hard as you can. So you bend the elbow back until your palm is against your rear shoulder, then using your triceps smack the bag with the back of your hand. Once you get that feeling you realize there's power in the triceps that's unused in the conventional swing. PS, I'm no sports scientist or anything.....just my observations.

That's very interesting.....

It might be a good idea be aware of your left elbow - it locks suddenly, which over time might cause injury....

One large step form this swing is the Moe Norman swing. Uses whole body but still employes many concepts that make it more repeatable. Moe's swing is long and powerful. Big idea is that the club shaft is on impact plane at address. Love my Moe swing (or my best efforts at it). Not an overnight fix but it IS a fix. I went from years as an 18.0 and higher to as low as 6.1 last year.

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Originally Posted by rustyredcab 

One large step form this swing is the Moe Norman swing. Uses whole body but still employes many concepts that make it more repeatable. Moe's swing is long and powerful. Big idea is that the club shaft is on impact plane at address. Love my Moe swing (or my best efforts at it). Not an overnight fix but it IS a fix. I went from years as an 18.0 and higher to as low as 6.1 last year.

That's debatable. Haven't heard of too many people gaining yardage (or even staying quite the same) with a Moe Norman swing at the same skill level (ball striking wise - obviously they'll hit the ball farther if they were fatting and thinning the ball before with a "traditional" swing).

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Originally Posted by iacas 

 

That's debatable. Haven't heard of too many people gaining yardage (or even staying quite the same) with a Moe Norman swing at the same skill level (ball striking wise - obviously they'll hit the ball farther if they were fatting and thinning the ball before with a "traditional" swing).

I see the swing and it's not logical for it to generate more power for someone who already generates decent clubhead speed and makes solid contact. It might generate more power for some people, but they must have been truly awful using a conventional swing.

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Originally Posted by iacas 

 

That's debatable. Haven't heard of too many people gaining yardage (or even staying quite the same) with a Moe Norman swing at the same skill level (ball striking wise - obviously they'll hit the ball farther if they were fatting and thinning the ball before with a "traditional" swing).

I don't wish to hijack the thread into a long Moe Norman distance debate. I'll simply say that I gained distance when I converted to swing like Moe. If you have a good or very good conventional swing, you may not see any improvement. But, in very large part because of the Moe Norman swing, I make better contact more often, release the club better, can practice more (little to no strain on my lower back) and I understand the key positions for a good swing and how to maximize my lower body driving into the ball. Executed correctly, the Moe Norman swing looks like a simple move that generates surprising power and speed.

I'm not the longest hitter out there (especially out there in internet golf forum land) but I am much longer at age 53 than I was from age 18-40 with a conventional swing. And I am as long or longer as nearly everyone I play with. More importantly for me, my handicap is respectable and my game is relatively consistent. I've worked on this swing for about 10 years, so distance comparisons are difficult. I'm older, less flexible, yet now work out with weights... and equipment is much better than it was even ten years ago (and mine fits my intended swing). So the fact that I'm longer now than I was with a conventional swing is likely due to the fact that my ball striking is dramatically improved.

I will say that the ten finger grip and more stationary lower body aspects of the Kuykendall swing limit speed and power. Those are NOT part of Moe's swing.

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Originally Posted by rustyredcab 

I'm not the longest hitter out there (especially out there in internet golf forum land) but I am much longer at age 53 than I was from age 18-40 with a conventional swing...

... and balata balls, and smaller, heavier drivers... etc. A lot has changed since 2000 and before, as you go on to mention.

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Originally Posted by rustyredcab 

I don't wish to hijack the thread into a long Moe Norman distance debate. I'll simply say that I gained distance when I converted to swing like Moe. If you have a good or very good conventional swing, you may not see any improvement. But, in very large part because of the Moe Norman swing, I make better contact more often, release the club better, can practice more (little to no strain on my lower back) and I understand the key positions for a good swing and how to maximize my lower body driving into the ball. Executed correctly, the Moe Norman swing looks like a simple move that generates surprising power and speed.

 

I'm not the longest hitter out there (especially out there in internet golf forum land) but I am much longer at age 53 than I was from age 18-40 with a conventional swing. And I am as long or longer as nearly everyone I play with. More importantly for me, my handicap is respectable and my game is relatively consistent. I've worked on this swing for about 10 years, so distance comparisons are difficult. I'm older, less flexible, yet now work out with weights... and equipment is much better than it was even ten years ago (and mine fits my intended swing). So the fact that I'm longer now than I was with a conventional swing is likely due to the fact that my ball striking is dramatically improved.

 

I will say that the ten finger grip and more stationary lower body aspects of the Kuykendall swing limit speed and power. Those are NOT part of Moe's swing.

What specifically has made you longer. It is doubtful that it is an increase in clubead speed, as the swing does not generally promote that (specifically over a more traditional model). As Iacas said, was it an improvement in ball/turf contact - or was it a better clubface/path relationship (did you stop slicing it for example).  

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Originally Posted by logman 

I'm not really sure how to answer this. But I think that "casting" is an integral and powerful part of the LPG swing. Though alot of the terms used by conventional swingers just don't apply to LPG. Terms like "flipping" are not applicable because the hinge in the front arm is at the elbow with the wrist staying locked. Or "chicken winging". C.W has to happen in a swing with a baseball grip....but it seems unimportant in LPG. Casting, the same. Casting is part of LPG. You cast your hands back and down to get power. All I can say is it's different from the conventional swing.

I believe you answered my thought pretty well. I think of casting as a preemptive straightening (or "release" of the wrist angle, if you will) of the right arm. Since, in LPG, the right arm is straight at address, the only way to hit the ball IMO is to have a straight right arm at impact, thereby "casting" in the conventional sense. So what I'm saying is that people who struggle with casting with a conventional swing might find it easier to strike the ball at the sweet spot of the club this way.

However, I do agree with previous posts that the increase in distance would be related to better contact as opposed to increased swing speed. As with any arm-focused or arm-oriented swing, all the power comes from the biceps and triceps, muscles most adults are familiar with (and have developed over a lifetime of) working. As a guy who swings a hammer all day, I can certainly relate, but it's certainly not a swing pattern I'd teach any young children.

Is anyone having a hard time getting onto Kuykendall's web site?

I emailed him for a user name and password, (which he sent), but when I tried signing in on one of his websites, couldn't do it.

Got a reply that his page couldn't be brought up.