Originally Posted by Missouri Swede
I might be missing something obvious here: Before, you were working on folding the right elbow sooner, to keep it from getting too extended (backswing, right?). I thought we were supposed to try to keep the right elbow straighter on the backswing (like in Eric's thread http://thesandtrap.com/t/35195/shorter-probably-better-swing-keep-the-right-arm-straight). Were you overdoing it--too much of a good thing?
Now, the problem is that the right arm was too "narrow," and by keeping elbows closer together you get a "wider" right arm, stretching out away from the chest. (From A5-A7?) Different problems in the right elbow since we're talking about different parts of the swing? Elbows closer to each other, but farther from the chest? (I don't think I've come across the narrow and wide right arm terms before. Narrow or wide in relation to what? Wide is "punch" elbow?)
(I'm not questioning what you're saying or the instruction they're giving you. Quite the contrary--just trying to clarify what needed to be fixed in what part of the swing. Thanks.)
No worries at all! That's why we all do this ... to learn and question and learn some more! (unless we're bomberman ;))
I'm certainly no swing expert and in my trying to explain stuff, I could be getting it wrong. It's probably just that ... my explanation of what James wanted, and why, is off. This is what I think ... What I was doing in some of those older videos was to keep my right arm straight for so long that once I started bending it, it got way too "punchy" and around "behind me" leading to the clubhead tipping out and my downswing being really steep (like almost vertical :))
Regarding Mike's use of the term "narrow," I believe he means too close to the chest, leading to it getting bent beyond 90*. Basically, it's all bunched up. So the idea is to get the elbow folding sooner AND try to have more "pitch" AND get my hands stretched out behind me AND have a little more torso rotation, (whew, thats a lot of "ands") such that, were you to see a posterior view at A4, there would be a nice little gap between the right side shirt seam and the right tricep, like so ...
as opposed to (I was never this bad - I don't think anybody was - he's exxagerating!) ...