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post #127 of 280

In the Key #3 Flat Left Wrist - Two Ball Drill video, would your normal swing not hit the ball in the back either or is it more of a drill to exaggerate things and clean up the downswing? Mike gave me this drill in my last evolvr lesson and I've been practicing it for the last 3 days but keep knocking the back ball away on my backswing ... makes me wonder if I should really lift the clubhead more in the backswing or if that's not what the drill is for and I should just be happy if I can avoid hitting it on the way down?

 

Thanks :)

post #128 of 280
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Originally Posted by CBO View Post

In the Key #3 Flat Left Wrist - Two Ball Drill video, would your normal swing not hit the ball in the back either or is it more of a drill to exaggerate things and clean up the downswing? Mike gave me this drill in my last evolvr lesson and I've been practicing it for the last 3 days but keep knocking the back ball away on my backswing ... makes me wonder if I should really lift the clubhead more in the backswing or if that's not what the drill is for and I should just be happy if I can avoid hitting it on the way down?

 

Thanks :)

 

Dave in the video says the second ball should be a shoes width away from the ball you're hitting, I think in your Evolvr I said a foot to a foot and a half.  So first make sure that's the distance between the balls.  

 

If the ball is far enough away you shouldn't hit it on the takeaway.  Club head moves up, in and back.  Few things elevate the club head, right elbow flexing, movement of the torso/knees and wrists hinging.  I would recommend just slowing the takeaway.  I actually do this drill for the takeaway, I can tend to "snatch" the club away and I'll hit the second ball.

 

 

post #129 of 280

Thanks a lot for clearing that up for me Mike!

I had enough distance between the balls so know I'll have to pay more attention to the first bit of the takeaway as well a1_smile.gif

post #130 of 280
Thread Starter 

Just testing out a new thing with the "embed" code we now have. We can link to existing threads really nicely, like this thread about Golf Evolution / 5 Simple Keys® Student Before/After Photos,  S&T 2.0 DVDs and Pressure/Weight Forward - An Examination, and so on.

 

More videos coming soon. I just have to edit them. :)

post #131 of 280

The NSA just hijacked your code.

post #132 of 280
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This one will work when Dave publishes it. :)

 

 

 

Been working on this, since I get in trouble with my right arm getting stuck, and taking the club to far inside my hands.

 

Just wondering, instead of feeling the arms closer together longer. I wonder if just feeling the back is rounder longer in the backswing would help some. I always find the stick a tee under the arm thing a bit taxing, and restrictive. When I try to isolate the upward movement of the hands in the backswing, I start to loose track of proper arm to hip rotation sequence (hands start way to early compared to the hips starting their rotation). So I thought since Dave said the back right shoulder collapses, and the right elbow gets behind the midline of the body, bringing the shoulder blade closer to the spine. I though, what if you keep the shoulders rounded longer. This though fits with the proper posture as well.

post #133 of 280
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Been working on this, since I get in trouble with my right arm getting stuck, and taking the club to far inside my hands.

 

Just wondering, instead of feeling the arms closer together longer. I wonder if just feeling the back is rounder longer in the backswing would help some. I always find the stick a tee under the arm thing a bit taxing, and restrictive. When I try to isolate the upward movement of the hands in the backswing, I start to loose track of proper arm to hip rotation sequence (hands start way to early compared to the hips starting their rotation). So I thought since Dave said the back right shoulder collapses, and the right elbow gets behind the midline of the body, bringing the shoulder blade closer to the spine. I though, what if you keep the shoulders rounded longer. This though fits with the proper posture as well.

 

Yes it can work as long as your head doesn't translate very much.  Feeling more rounded could help you rotate more for the first 2/3 of the backswing.  Like you said, the tee under the arm feels restricted and hinders your ability to rotate.  We did a cool drill with Dave that's similar to the tee under the arm that forced him to rotate more, almost "carry" his arms with him.  Here's that drill 

 

 

Feeling the elbows "squeeze" together on the backswing can also work.  As well as this one http://thesandtrap.com/t/62804/steady-head-drill-and-how-painting-mental-pictures-can-help-your-swing

The pushing feel, using PP#1, can stop the rear elbow from sliding behind you.

post #134 of 280
In your 5 keys..it looks like #5 weight forward...you really accentuate this.,, looks like a lateral slide.,which is good,,,

What and where does the pivot happen! ? Is it a divot than a pivot move?

Do your prefer the lateral slide or a huge pivot if you had to error on the 2 ?
post #135 of 280
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In your 5 keys..it looks like #5 weight forward...you really accentuate this.,, looks like a lateral slide.,which is good,,,

What and where does the pivot happen! ? Is it a divot than a pivot move?

Do your prefer the lateral slide or a huge pivot if you had to error on the 2 ?

Key #2 is weight forward at impact.  The pivot happens right away, not sure what you mean.  The hips turn, the torso turns, knees change flex as the head stays steady.  The lower body transfer on the downswing is blended in with the pivot.  You turn as you slide.
post #136 of 280
would it be safe to say if rotation wasn't blended in with the sliding of the hips it would cause the lead leg to straighten prematurely and lead to early extension
post #137 of 280
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would it be safe to say if rotation wasn't blended in with the sliding of the hips it would cause the lead leg to straighten prematurely and lead to early extension

 

No.

 

Though what you suggest (the hips sliding "cross-lateral") can lead to early extension (you need to give your arms room to come down), it can also cause the other problem of not extending soon enough because in order to keep going forward the lead knee would want to stay flexed longer, too.

 

In other words, both things are possible. I'd hate to guess which is more likely - it kind of depends on the player's background, ability level (lower handicappers are more likely to "early extend"), and some other things.

 

Dr. Kwon verified the way we give this instruction though recently - "lateral motion" is the "dominant" motion early on, but then the "rotation takes over" as the dominant motion at some point during the downswing to end up with these kinds of numbers (approximately): http://thesandtrap.com/t/70580/good-general-numbers-for-hips-torso-at-a7 .

post #138 of 280
for some reason i tend to get lazy during the middle holes and just slide with no rotation blend in
post #139 of 280
This is the doctrine for stack and tilt/ Morad. ..what about the shoulders for the million other methods that people use? I was told slightly closed shoulders and open hips at your A7 . This is why I hate a one method type of golf...and why I admire the older golf swings..not the newer. I enjoy watching vintage golf tourneys on golf channel..newer swings on tv don't even interest me. In fact they don't even look like a a swing anymore..all look like clones..freaking hate it. And I'm sure as all the world not going to change to that doctrine..hell no
post #140 of 280
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This is the doctrine for stack and tilt/ Morad. ..what about the shoulders for the million other methods that people use? I was told slightly closed shoulders and open hips at your A7 .

No. Not even close.

Furyk. Jack. Singh. Arnie. Tiger.

All have all 5 Keys. Working towards them does not out you in one swing as S&T or MORAD would.

Please learn more before you make uninformed statements or further assumptions.

And if you want to discuss the shoulder and hip alignments, please use the other thread.
post #141 of 280
Thread Starter 

 

 

Note that the amount of hip turn demonstrated here is an exaggeration (it's a drill or a feel).

post #142 of 280
I'm liking your style ...u know the swing,,that is a given .,I see that now

I'm just a old dinosaur in my ways, hands are a thing of the past,, you teach the future
post #143 of 280
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Originally Posted by fanofsaosin View Post

for some reason i tend to get lazy during the middle holes and just slide with no rotation blend in

 

Maybe :-)  Without filming the swing you're just not sure.  There is probably something going on with Key#2 that is hurting your ability to keep turning.  First thing would be to make sure the left foot is flared. 

post #144 of 280
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A lot of golfers will get their weight forward in a "faked" way - they'll be 50/50 at impact but then their arms will "pull" them through to a finish position that has their weight on their front foot. I call it the "standing I" position because they are often standing in a very "I"-like shape at the end, rather than one seen here by Tiger Woods:

 

 

 

This drill will help with that. The preview shows Mike in a sort of "standing I".

 

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