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post #91 of 101
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Originally Posted by Mello View Post
 

 

Ernest - as you can tell, I was under the same impression you're in regarding changing your stance and the alignments of your body.  In fact I'm glad you asked your questions as it told me I'm not the only confused one out there regarding this topic:-D

 

Thanks Erik and Mike - I think you two have answered my questions and solved this mystery for me.  For some reason, I've always thought that opening or closing your stance ONLY means you change your footings but the rest of your body alignment (hips, shoulders, arms, etc) all remain the same lining up parallel left of the target.  Thinking in terms of a closed stance being that I'm lining up right of the target with a clubface that is closed to my stance (and vice versa for an open stance) connected the dots for me.

 

Have a great one!

 

Happy to help, and glad we could cut through any confusion. Apologies if things were confusing before. Perhaps a video on this is needed.

post #92 of 101

What do you guys think about what this guy is saying? The explanation of the laws of ball flight seem to be exactly what I've learned here, but I wanted to know anyone's thoughts on his suggestions for fixing a chronic slicer's swing flaws.
post #93 of 101
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Originally Posted by JonMA1 View Post
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muRaZFR9PZM

 

What do you guys think about what this guy is saying? The explanation of the laws of ball flight seem to be exactly what I've learned here, but I wanted to know anyone's thoughts on his suggestions for fixing a chronic slicer's swing flaws.

 

Yes obviously agree for the most part, which is why I suggest Key #2 drills on the site to people looking for help with their slice/fade.  Tough to just say that most slicers aim left, I've seen a decent amount aim right.  I remember Dave and Erik talking about "squeezing" the elbows throughout the swing back in late '09 when I first got to know them online.  One of the best videos was Dave throwing the boulder over a wall, very much in the same vein as the "raise the handle" feel.

post #94 of 101
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Yes obviously agree for the most part, which is why I suggest Key #2 drills

Mike, you've been suggesting this to me for several months. Today I decided instead of taking my weak-ass game to the course and trying in vain to break 100, I'd start concentrating on this and work on it all winter if necessary. 

 

So I started out not caring too much about the results. I just wanted to get to where the weight forward felt right. Just took half swings with a 7iron, fighting myself about caring where the ball went.

 

After a while, I started to feel Iike I didn't have to think about it anymore. So I started working on the other keys as well.  Again, half swings. The inside to out path is very unnatural to me. When I take a swing without the ball I got a beautiful left to right divot. Put a ball down and I'd revert to the outside-in path. I kept my alignment to the target and started concentrating on a point 5" or so ahead of the ball in the direction I wanted my swing path to follow. I used my right arm more to "push outward". In the meantime, I could tell by the ball flight that my club face was open relative to the swing path (not hard to do when your swing path is out - in). I know this is a band-aid fix, but I had to really close my club face at address. At this point, even a hook would be an improvement. After several swings, I finally got the ball to start right and come just a bit to the left. Most of my shots had a straight ball flight and some still had a very slight fade. I think I have a lot of old habits to break. Maybe I'll review my 5sk videos.

 

Anyway, while working on these keys, I believe my hands remained well in front of the ball at impact which of course delofted the club. The result from cleanly hit shots was lower trajectory and what may have been greater distances based on how easy I was swinging.

 

As always, thanks for the suggestion.

post #95 of 101
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Originally Posted by JonMA1 View Post
 

Mike, you've been suggesting this to me for several months. Today I decided instead of taking my weak-ass game to the course and trying in vain to break 100, I'd start concentrating on this and work on it all winter if necessary. 

 

So I started out not caring too much about the results. I just wanted to get to where the weight forward felt right. Just took half swings with a 7iron, fighting myself about caring where the ball went.

 

After a while, I started to feel Iike I didn't have to think about it anymore. So I started working on the other keys as well.  Again, half swings. The inside to out path is very unnatural to me. When I take a swing without the ball I got a beautiful left to right divot. Put a ball down and I'd revert to the outside-in path. I kept my alignment to the target and started concentrating on a point 5" or so ahead of the ball in the direction I wanted my swing path to follow. I used my right arm more to "push outward". In the meantime, I could tell by the ball flight that my club face was open relative to the swing path (not hard to do when your swing path is out - in). I know this is a band-aid fix, but I had to really close my club face at address. At this point, even a hook would be an improvement. After several swings, I finally got the ball to start right and come just a bit to the left. Most of my shots had a straight ball flight and some still had a very slight fade. I think I have a lot of old habits to break. Maybe I'll review my 5sk videos.

 

Anyway, while working on these keys, I believe my hands remained well in front of the ball at impact which of course delofted the club. The result from cleanly hit shots was lower trajectory and what may have been greater distances based on how easy I was swinging.

 

As always, thanks for the suggestion.

 

Very cool, thanks for sharing, glad I could help.  You also brought up a good point, the goal isn't always to turn the slice into a draw, a straightish ball or playable fade is also improvement.  Getting better is a marathon not a sprint.  

post #96 of 101

Just so I understand, in the simplest terms, to hit a draw you want to aim right of target and close the club face.  If I were to change the stance in below photo to aim more right, does the path of the club change with the stance?

 

In other words at P2, does the but end of the club point at the intended target or to the aim point right of the target?

 

I always try to feel the but end of the grip pointing at the target to make sure I am starting the club back on plane so I want to make sure I am understanding how the path works in conjunction with the club face. 

 

Hope this makes sense - I am going to order the dvd's and really dive in as I want to improve on this.

 

 

 

post #97 of 101
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Just so I understand, in the simplest terms, to hit a draw you want to aim right of target and close the club face.  If I were to change the stance in below photo to aim more right, does the path of the club change with the stance?

 

To hit a draw you want the clubface aimed RIGHT of the target and have the path further right. So from a neutral stance, face would be 2 degrees right of the target, path would be 4 degrees right of the target. Face is closed to the path but right of the target.

 

Yes you can change path by changing your alignment. More right would add more OUTward path.

 

 

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Originally Posted by iteeitup View Post

 

 

In other words at P2, does the but end of the club point at the intended target or to the aim point right of the target?

 

I always try to feel the but end of the grip pointing at the target to make sure I am starting the club back on plane so I want to make sure I am understanding how the path works in conjunction with the club face. 

 

 

 

For 5SK there is no "model" A2. Off topic for this thread but I'm not a huge fan of that pic above because the right arm is too straight and the golfer hasn't turned much. Couple "good" examples of A2 here. Knees have changed flex somewhat, allowing the hands to move inward somewhat, right arm has added some bend from A1-2, club head is inline with the hands. Obviously there are great golfers that don't look exactly like this at A2 but there is some combination of what I just described going on.

 

Where the butt end points at A2 doesn't pre-determine where the path is, you basically just don't want the club too far inside or outside the hands.

 

post #98 of 101

Thanks for reply mvmac - this helps. 

post #99 of 101

@David in FL did you tell Graeme about this thread when you played golf with him? ;-)

 

 

post #100 of 101
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@David in FL
 did you tell Graeme about this thread when you played golf with him? a2_wink.gif


 

No....we spent most of our time talking about my alignment! a5_crying.gif
post #101 of 101
I know I am bringing this back from the dead, but I had to! I've been doing evolvr and got the 5 simple keys etc. I've gotten my swing plane to a more neutral plane and was still struggling because I couldn't understand why I was pull drawing or fading too much when hitting for the greens!

I printed the first page out with Erik's VERY detailed instructions and sure enough I can work the ball any way I want. I just have to be mindful of the clubface. Also, a new thing that this has helped me with is understanding the CLUB FACE target and setup! I'm now lining up my shots much like my putts and starting the ball on the line that I aim the clubface at. It has been ONE HUNDRED percent better!

I'm trying to continue doing my setup for a stock fade on as many shots as possible because it seems to be the easier of the two to control. I can easily draw it when needed, but if I play a draw too long it tends to draw more and more as the round goes on. With the help of this thread I honestly think that I'll be able to shoot at least a 79 once before the year is up!!!!

Thanks again for this thread! I wish I had seen it sooner!
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