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Originally Posted by k-troop View Post

Mahan has a better Ryder Cup record than anyone on this year's team.  It's a shame that all folks remember is the duffed chip.

 

and he won the Match Play title this year, but he has just not played well recently with 2 missed cuts and a dead last his 4 past events.  

 

Assuming that you think Johnny Miller is right about wanting new faces and DLIII is right about wanting hot players, who would you pick?

post #20 of 30
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Mahan has a better Ryder Cup record than anyone on this year's team.  It's a shame that all folks remember is the duffed chip.

One element in being a successful match play player is consistency. Another element is being able to make birdies in bunches and to play with a certain bravado - matching the other player's great shot with one of your own. Mahan did flub that shot, but he's made some great clutch shots since then. Guys like Seve and Tom Watson (for example) could play consistently but they're best known for getting up and down from all over the place. Often for birdie. Did anyone else enjoy Fowler's great finish in that one match last time around? I did. Would Rickie Fowler ever be considered consistent? What about Ian Poulter?

post #21 of 30
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Originally Posted by k-troop View Post

Mahan has a better Ryder Cup record than anyone on this year's team.  It's a shame that all folks remember is the duffed chip.

 

and he won the Match Play title this year, but he has just not played well recently with 2 missed cuts and a dead last his 4 past events.  

 

Assuming that you think Johnny Miller is right about wanting new faces and DLIII is right about wanting hot players, who would you pick?

 

I have no beef with the picks.  I think Furyk was a smart choice; I'm skeptical about Webb and Brandt, but we'll see--not arguing that they don't deserve to be there, but those are the ones I'm skeptical about.

 

My comment about Hunter is that he's been a good Ryder Cup player, and I think he has an affinity for match play.  He gets a lot of heat for the duffed chip, but he's still the only player in the conversation this year with above a 0.5 points/match average.

post #22 of 30
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Johnny Miller Quote:

I'm not a big believer in doing anything historical, because historically, we suck in The Ryder Cup.  I like new blood...

I don't know if you can do anything historically.  People say, you have to pick people with experience; I don't want a guy on my team with losing experience.  I'd rather have a guy that's fresh and says I'm going to win. 

I like the young blood personally.  I like it when the young guys sometimes get paired together instead of throwing them in with a veteran that's lost five straight Ryder Cups.

 

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Luke Donald is a great match player because he's a great putter, and he knows that he has a great chance to get down in 2 from anywhere within 100 yards.  It can be demoralizing for a bomber to outdrive your opponent by 50 yards on every hole, but still have a longer putt. 

 

 

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One element in being a successful match play player is consistency. Another element is being able to make birdies in bunches and to play with a certain bravado - matching the other player's great shot with one of your own. Mahan did flub that shot, but he's made some great clutch shots since then. Guys like Seve and Tom Watson (for example) could play consistently but they're best known for getting up and down from all over the place. Often for birdie. Did anyone else enjoy Fowler's great finish in that one match last time around? I did. Would Rickie Fowler ever be considered consistent? What about Ian Poulter?

Young, New Blood, Putting Great, Consistent High Finishes and Making a lot of Birdies?  How about Luke Guthrie?  

 

Who you say?  Turned pro this year and has a 68.33 PGA Tour scoring average and a 67.45 ave on the Web.com Tour.  Would lead the PGA Tour in "Strokes Gained Putting,"  "Par Breakers," "Scoring Average," "Scrambling," and a number of other categories if he had enough rounds to qualify.    

 

Is 120 under par as a pro (3 PGA Tour events and 6.5 Web.com events): t19, t5, t18 on PGA Tour followed by P2, t3, t10, t6, cut and a win on the Web.com Tour.

post #23 of 30
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Originally Posted by MEfree View Post

 

Young, New Blood, Putting Great, Consistent High Finishes and Making a lot of Birdies?  How about Luke Guthrie?  

 

Who you say?  Turned pro this year and has a 68.33 PGA Tour scoring average and a 67.45 ave on the Web.com Tour.  Would lead the PGA Tour in "Strokes Gained Putting,"  "Par Breakers," "Scoring Average," "Scrambling," and a number of other categories if he had enough rounds to qualify.    

 

Is 120 under par as a pro (3 PGA Tour events and 6.5 Web.com events): t19, t5, t18 on PGA Tour followed by P2, t3, t10, t6, cut and a win on the Web.com Tour.

 

Sorry, no way you pick someone for the Ryder Cup who has played 9 professional tournaments.

post #24 of 30
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Originally Posted by k-troop View Post

 

Sorry, no way you pick someone for the Ryder Cup who has played 9 professional tournaments.

I understand what you are saying BUT a lot of people were critical of picking LPGA rookie Ryann O'Toole for the 2011 Solheim Cup for the same reason, but she was playing well at the time and she went 2-0-2 getting 3 points in the 4 matches she played.  Had the Ryder Cup been held in 1996, do you think Tiger would have been a bad pick? 

post #25 of 30
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I understand what you are saying BUT a lot of people were critical of picking LPGA rookie Ryann O'Toole for the 2011 Solheim Cup for the same reason, but she was playing well at the time and she went 2-0-2 getting 3 points in the 4 matches she played.  Had the Ryder Cup been held in 1996, do you think Tiger would have been a bad pick? 

 

Tough call.  I'd venture to say that Tiger wouldn't have been picked in 1996--he turned pro in August, so he would have played like 1 or 2 events before they made the picks.  Of course he won twice in October 1996, so I'm sure he would have done well if picked, but no one expected that in August/September.  Sticking straight to the comparison, Tiger would have been an obvious pick after 9 events, because he already had at least 2 PGA Tour wins at that point.

 

Regardless, Tiger is Tiger.  Jack would have been a great pick in 1960, and Phil in 1993, but comparing Luke Guthrie to Tiger, Jack and Phil is beyond absurd.  The odds are certainly not in favor of the next flash rookie being a 50-win tour star.

post #26 of 30
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Regardless, Tiger is Tiger.  Jack would have been a great pick in 1960, and Phil in 1993, but comparing Luke Guthrie to Tiger, Jack and Phil is beyond absurd.  The odds are certainly not in favor of the next flash rookie being a 50-win tour star.

I agree, but I expect Guthrie to be at least as good as Ryann O'Toole and she was a successful captain`s pick.  Probably not the next Tiger or Jack, but with his current short game, Gutherie could develop into a Luke Donald type player...As far as Phil goes, I think they passed him over in 1993 despite the fact that he had already won twice on Tour that year (and once as an Am in 1991), must have been his lack of experience...

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Luke Guthrie won for the second consecutive week at the WNB Golf Classic.
Sep. 23, 2012
By Joe Chemycz, Web.com Tour staff

MIDLAND, Texas -- Luke Guthrie will be going to the Ryder Cup next week in Chicago as a spectator. Given his play in the past couple of months, United States Captain Davis Love III might want him to join the squad as a playing member.

http://www.pgatour.com/2012/tournaments/h038/09/23/rd4-recap/index.html#

post #28 of 30
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Luke Guthrie won for the second consecutive week at the WNB Golf Classic.
Sep. 23, 2012
By Joe Chemycz, Web.com Tour staff

MIDLAND, Texas -- Luke Guthrie will be going to the Ryder Cup next week in Chicago as a spectator. Given his play in the past couple of months, United States Captain Davis Love III might want him to join the squad as a playing member.

http://www.pgatour.com/2012/tournaments/h038/09/23/rd4-recap/index.html#

Sorry, but no, just no. If anyone's play on the weekend deserved Ryder Cup second guesses it was Ryan Moore.

 

Is anyone else opening this thread waiting for a link to DLIII's Ryder Cup photo album?

post #29 of 30
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Originally Posted by sean_miller View Post

Sorry, but no, just no. If anyone's play on the weekend deserved Ryder Cup second guesses it was Ryan Moore.

 

Is anyone else opening this thread waiting for a link to DLIII's Ryder Cup photo album?

Too late to make changes now anyways...I like Ryan Moore, but he and Guthrie are very comparable in their last 10 events, at least from an Official World Golf Rankings standpoint with Guthrie beating Moore in the only event they both played and earning slightly more total points than Moore.

 

 

Ryan Moore- Last 10 Events Tour Week Year Finish OWGR Points
TOUR Championship by Coca-Cola 
 USA 
38 
 2012 
 T3 
21.70
 BMW Championship 
 USA 
36 
 2012 
 T10 
9.45
 Deutsche Bank Championship 
 USA 
35 
 2012 
 T10 
9.99
 The Barclays 
 USA 
34 
 2012 
 T24 
3.46
 Wyndham Championship 
 USA 
33 
 2012 
 T37 
1.43
 US PGA CHAMPIONSHIP 
 USA 
32 
 2012 
 MC 
0.00
 John Deere Classic 
 USA 
28 
 2012 
 T8 
5.04
 AT&T National 
 USA 
26 
 2012 
 T58 
0.00
 Travelers Championship 
 USA 
25 
 2012 
 T47 
1.21
 the Memorial Tournament presented by Nationwide Insurance 
 USA 
22 
 2012 
 T38 
2.28
          54.56
           
Luke Gurthrie- Last 10 Events          
 WNB Golf Classic 
 Nat 
38 
 2012 
 1 
14.00
 Albertsons Boise Open Presented by Kraft 
 Nat 
37 
 2012 
 1 
14.00
 Mylan Classic 
 Nat 
35 
 2012 
 MC 
0.00
 Midwest Classic Presented by Cadillac 
 Nat 
33 
 2012 
 T6 
2.66
 Price Cutter Charity Championship Presented by Dr Pepper 
 Nat 
32 
 2012 
 T10 
1.89
 Cox Classic 
 Nat 
31 
 2012 
 T3 
3.99
 Nationwide Children's Hospital Invitational 
 Nat 
30 
 2012 
 2 
8.40
 True South Classic 
 USA 
29 
 2012 
 T18 
1.80
 John Deere Classic 
 USA 
28 
 2012 
 T5 
7.92
 FedEx St. Jude Classic 
 USA 
23 
 2012 
 T19 
2.24
          56.90
post #30 of 30
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Originally Posted by MEfree View Post

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Originally Posted by sean_miller View Post

Sorry, but no, just no. If anyone's play on the weekend deserved Ryder Cup second guesses it was Ryan Moore.

 

Is anyone else opening this thread waiting for a link to DLIII's Ryder Cup photo album?

Too late to make changes now anyways...I like Ryan Moore, but he and Guthrie are very comparable in their last 10 events, at least from an Official World Golf Rankings standpoint with Guthrie beating Moore in the only event they both played and earning slightly more total points than Moore.

 

 

Ryan Moore- Last 10 Events Tour Week Year Finish OWGR Points
TOUR Championship by Coca-Cola 
 USA 
38 
 2012 
 T3 
21.70
 BMW Championship 
 USA 
36 
 2012 
 T10 
9.45
 Deutsche Bank Championship 
 USA 
35 
 2012 
 T10 
9.99
 The Barclays 
 USA 
34 
 2012 
 T24 
3.46
 Wyndham Championship 
 USA 
33 
 2012 
 T37 
1.43
 US PGA CHAMPIONSHIP 
 USA 
32 
 2012 
 MC 
0.00
 John Deere Classic 
 USA 
28 
 2012 
 T8 
5.04
 AT&T National 
 USA 
26 
 2012 
 T58 
0.00
 Travelers Championship 
 USA 
25 
 2012 
 T47 
1.21
 the Memorial Tournament presented by Nationwide Insurance 
 USA 
22 
 2012 
 T38 
2.28
          54.56
           
Luke Gurthrie- Last 10 Events          
 WNB Golf Classic 
 Nat 
38 
 2012 
 1 
14.00
 Albertsons Boise Open Presented by Kraft 
 Nat 
37 
 2012 
 1 
14.00
 Mylan Classic 
 Nat 
35 
 2012 
 MC 
0.00
 Midwest Classic Presented by Cadillac 
 Nat 
33 
 2012 
 T6 
2.66
 Price Cutter Charity Championship Presented by Dr Pepper 
 Nat 
32 
 2012 
 T10 
1.89
 Cox Classic 
 Nat 
31 
 2012 
 T3 
3.99
 Nationwide Children's Hospital Invitational 
 Nat 
30 
 2012 
 2 
8.40
 True South Classic 
 USA 
29 
 2012 
 T18 
1.80
 John Deere Classic 
 USA 
28 
 2012 
 T5 
7.92
 FedEx St. Jude Classic 
 USA 
23 
 2012 
 T19 
2.24
          56.90

 

To be honest I didn't read the list beyond the past 4 weeks. Moore >> Guthrie this past month, but to be super duper honest, as a Canadian I don't really have a horse in this race. Carry on with your internet Guthrie for president campaign.

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