Originally Posted by Joakim
Honestly, I can't put all the blame on Phil. Just seeing the partisan European Ryders makes me jealous. You have a fantastic crowd over there, great enthusiam. But none of their players would applaud one of our players over there. Obviously this didn't lose the Ryder cup for us.
Furyk, Sobel GC article mentioned two choked events, it was actually 3, again slanted reporting. More importantly he had the lowest points .5 in 2010 Ryder. The lowest point producer in points total should not be a captain pick. http://www.rydercup.com/2010/usa/scoring/individualpoints.cfm
DL3- To many mistakes to mention. Everyone states well he was 10-6 going into Sunday, that just shows how many good players he had not how he managed. If he was 11-5 it would have been a different story. You don't lead the final round with inexperienced players. When you do things that have never been done in Ryder history (and he did many) you are taking a chance.
He's the manager with on paper a better team, a course you set up and home field advantage. Sorry but blame goes to DL3. He's a nice guy and nice guys finish last. Poulter said before Ryder he wants to kill us and have a beer after the match. Great attitude, that's why he is a winner.
Tiger's points. Again bad management, What's the defination of stupidity is doing the same thing that didn't work. He was 3-1 in 2010 and tied for most USA Ryder.
Congrats, bottom line I'm a big fan and this one really hurt.
I think its all been said and done at this stage but I have to respond to this
The Furyk selection was aarguable - I think he wanted some older heads (the kind that you are saying he should have had leading out on Sunday. There was definitely an arguement that he should n't have gone for Stricker and Furyk
The captain is in an awkward position - likely to get the flak for losing and no credit for winning. That said people need to acept that being "only" 10-6 up on Saturday night was not the reason that US lost. Any captain, player or fan of either team, at any of the Ryder Cups would have bitten your hand offif offered 10-6 at the start of play - it was a great performance by the US and we were lucky to be only 4 down.
He deserves some flak for not being flexible over the first two days - but 10-6 speaks for itself. While 3 of the first 5 were rookies two of them were major champions and had won respectively 2/3 and 3/3 during the week, and the other was the Fed Ex Cup champion. Watson is a current Masters champion and Mickleson is hugely experienced. He was in a difficult position in that his experienced players were actually those in the worst form (with the exception of Mickleson). His form players were Watson, Simpson and Bradley (and arguably Johnson and Kuchar who had gone 2-2). US had strength and experience running through their line up
On how it set up the course I think he took a risk - he essentially made it a putting competition - it was one that didn't pay off.
On Tiger - he probably picked Stricker specifically to play with Tiger - which was probably flawed - Tiger isn't the easiest to play with (look at his pairs record in the RC) but maybe giving him one of the rookies or someone like Fowler would have been an idea
Simple fact is that one or two putts being slightly different on the Sunday would have made all the difference - its difficult to dismiss Love when teh margins are that small. Worst captain ever - not even close (try Sutton, Lehman, James or Faldo in the last couple of years alone)
On another point I don't see US players lining up to be captains (maybe with the exception of Couples) - I don't think it matters if they are playing regular tour or not - Olazabal and all his vice captains are all playing regular tour - you need someone who is passionate about the Ryder Cup. We have a pretty good succession planning in place for our captains
2014 - McGinley (vice captain this time, captained at Seve Trophy 3 times, great Ryder Cup player, really well respected)
2016 - Clarke (vice captain twice, major winner, great Ryder Cup experience, will come over well in the US)
2018 - Jiminez/Bjorn (both been vice captains, well respected, good Ryder Cup records - more suited to a home cup, particularly this one as its in France
After that you will probably be into the next generation of Captains - Westwood, possibly Harrington etc
We have a definite trend since teh disaster of 1999 to pick the captains particularly suited to the US (Langer, Faldo, Olazabal) and to Europe (Torrance, Woosnam, Montgomerie)
I don't see this kind of thought and planning going into the US selction