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post #1567 of 1852

I dont understand the whole potential lawsuit side of this.  rules change all the time in every sport and you never hear of a lawsuit.  I am sure that plenty of the physical corners in the NFL experienced some sort of dropoff after the contact rule started being enforced.  Should they be able to file a lawsuit?  What about the implementation of the quasi zone in the NBA?  Can players who could bully guys 1 on 1 file a lawsuit?  What about handchecking?

The whole lawsuit argument is really stupid and will make golf look incredibly bad if anyone actually went through with it.

post #1568 of 1852

 

This may have to be amended if an anchored/long putter is in the bag when another major is won over the next few years.

 

I can't wait to be able to watch Adam Scott play golf again instead of having to skip forward whenever I see him on screen.

post #1569 of 1852
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I dont understand the whole potential lawsuit side of this.  rules change all the time in every sport and you never hear of a lawsuit.  I am sure that plenty of the physical corners in the NFL experienced some sort of dropoff after the contact rule started being enforced.  Should they be able to file a lawsuit?  What about the implementation of the quasi zone in the NBA?  Can players who could bully guys 1 on 1 file a lawsuit?  What about handchecking?

The whole lawsuit argument is really stupid and will make golf look incredibly bad if anyone actually went through with it.

 

Well, I'm not sure anybody understands Vijay Singh suing the PGA Tour for not punishing him for using a product on the banned substance list, but then again it's not like people use the best judgement when it comes to taking advice from lawyers who see nothing but dollar signs.

 

Someone will sue.  I'd put money on it.  It may not go far, but someone will sue.

post #1570 of 1852

Billy Casper may have been the first anchored putter. Wonder what he thinks of this new rule.

 

 

post #1571 of 1852

I can't wait for these ugly things to be illegal! I hated them from the day they came out, my only complaint is they are giving too long of a grace period!

post #1572 of 1852
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20 Years ago this same organization looked at the long putter issue and came to the conclusion that it was not a issue, now 20 years later they say it is cheating or whatever. Shame on you guys just because you have a few different board members that have swayed your original feelings 20 years ago. The PGA should have a showdown and stand by their decision to not recognize the new rule. You talking about interesting. Give the R&A and USGA the @#$%sandwich. Golf is loosing millions of players a year because of difficulty, they should be making the game easier !!!  

I couldn't disagree more with this, If you dumb down the game, the good players will quit, if you make it more difficult it mostly affects hacks... there is no reason to make a game easier, just so people who aren't good at it can think they are better than they are. Where would the motivation to get better come from when everyone can do it? and I am in no way calling myself a pro, sure i can hit it long, but it sure isn't always straight, but I strive every day to get better and enjoy the feeling of accomplishment. If they kept making the game easier, where would I find my motivation, I would just think "they will come out with another gimmick to make it easier, why should I try...  Also I would like a source for your claim that golf is losing millions of players  a year.

post #1573 of 1852
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I couldn't disagree more with this, If you dumb down the game, the good players will quit, if you make it more difficult it mostly affects hacks... there is no reason to make a game easier, just so people who aren't good at it can think they are better than they are. Where would the motivation to get better come from when everyone can do it? and I am in no way calling myself a pro, sure i can hit it long, but it sure isn't always straight, but I strive every day to get better and enjoy the feeling of accomplishment. If they kept making the game easier, where would I find my motivation, I would just think "they will come out with another gimmick to make it easier, why should I try...  Also I would like a source for your claim that golf is losing millions of players  a year.


I agree with this. The fun in golf to me is the challenge of getting better each and every day. Some days are good and some days are horrible, but I believe of all sports; Golf is the ultimate test of your character and work ethic. I firmly believe that you can get out of golf what you put into it. The sport makes you focus some of your most least touched areas of your psyche and physical skill.

 

The putting stroke, in my view, is likely the most penutlimate part of Golf. A steady hand, keen senses, clear psyche, and commitment means that the time tested ways of executing the putt is essential to the game. To tarnish it by providing for shortcuts for its execution in hopes of a reeward is simply regrettable. Yay USGA and R&A!

post #1574 of 1852
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Well, I'm not sure anybody understands Vijay Singh suing the PGA Tour for not punishing him for using a product on the banned substance list, but then again it's not like people use the best judgement when it comes to taking advice from lawyers who see nothing but dollar signs.

 

Someone will sue.  I'd put money on it.  It may not go far, but someone will sue.

 

Yup, someone will sue.  right up to the point where they realize that they will need to sit in a deposition and answer question, under oath, that are put to them by hostile skilled attorneys.  Like, "Mr. Singh, have you ever been accused of cheating in a professional golf tournament or been sanctioned for cheating by a professional golf tour?"

 

Or, "Mr. Clark, you contend that your physical condition makes it impossible for you to use a conventional putter.  Could you explain how that condition does not make it impossible to chip the ball?"

 

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I agree with this. The fun in golf to me is the challenge of getting better each and every day. Some days are good and some days are horrible, but I believe of all sports; Golf is the ultimate test of your character and work ethic. I firmly believe that you can get out of golf what you put into it. The sport makes you focus some of your most least touched areas of your psyche and physical skill.

 

The putting stroke, in my view, is likely the most penutlimate part of Golf. A steady hand, keen senses, clear psyche, and commitment means that the time tested ways of executing the putt is essential to the game. To tarnish it by providing for shortcuts for its execution in hopes of a reeward is simply regrettable. Yay USGA and R&A!

 

Yup, the essence of golf is the same as the essence of life - overcoming adversity.

post #1575 of 1852
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Originally Posted by Valvey View Post

Billy Casper may have been the first anchored putter. Wonder what he thinks of this new rule.

 

 

 

Their is a distinct difference. The putter is not anchored. 

post #1576 of 1852

I detected some humor/sarcasm in that Billy Casper post.

post #1577 of 1852
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Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond View Post

I do not buy the argument that the long putter saved backs. An upright posture and a 35-37 inch putter works well. Ray Floyd, I believe, uses a 36 inch putter (or did). I use a 35 inch putter and an upright posture - and am middle-aged. No back issues with the putter.

 

Sergio putts well with a saw grip. Some pros use a grip that limits the right hand tendency to take over. One can help with nerves by turning the belly button instead of using the arms. One can "Kuchar" it against the forearm. One can beat nerves with traditional methods.


Speaking of which, makes me wonder when they're going to ban that ugly "claw" grip.  Or cross-handed putting.  No other club is swung that way and it's not in the true spirit of the game of golf.  People should have to grip the putter the same way they grip every other club in the bag.  Besides, the claw or cross-handed grip is used in an attempt to cure putting woes and make a more steady stroke, thus giving them an advantage over other golfers.

post #1578 of 1852
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Speaking of which, makes me wonder when they're going to ban that ugly "claw" grip.  Or cross-handed putting.  No other club is swung that way and it's not in the true spirit of the game of golf.  People should have to grip the putter the same way they grip every other club in the bag.  Besides, the claw or cross-handed grip is used in an attempt to cure putting woes and make a more steady stroke, thus giving them an advantage over other golfers.

 

No.  Stop it.

post #1579 of 1852
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Originally Posted by Mac62 View Post


Speaking of which, makes me wonder when they're going to ban that ugly "claw" grip.  Or cross-handed putting.  No other club is swung that way and it's not in the true spirit of the game of golf.  People should have to grip the putter the same way they grip every other club in the bag.  Besides, the claw or cross-handed grip is used in an attempt to cure putting woes and make a more steady stroke, thus giving them an advantage over other golfers.

 

No.  Stop it.


Kidding.  Sort of.

 

 

[ETA:]  For the record, I don't anchor and really couldn't care less one way or the other about the new rule - it has no impact whatsoever on my game.  I only object to it on the basis that I think it's a kind of a silly "nanny" rule change.


Edited by Mac62 - 5/21/13 at 6:43pm
post #1580 of 1852
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Kidding.  Sort of.

 

 

[ETA:]  For the record, I don't anchor and really couldn't care less one way or the other about the new rule - it has no impact whatsoever on my game.  I only object to it on the basis that I think it's a kind of a silly "nanny" rule change.

 

Then we probably disagree on such a fundamental level as to never see eye-to-eye on this topic.  I feel that mandating a club be freely swung is so core to the fundamentals of golf that it was a big mistake to not have banned it decades ago.  I think it's one of the more important and basic aspects of golf.  The grip, on the other hand, I couldn't care less about.  They are still freely swinging the club.

post #1581 of 1852

I really think they got it wrong. I do not anchor and never will. But everyone seems to be worried about bifurcation of the rules. So what. Many sports do this . The three point line in baskeball, the number of minutes played in high school vs college verses pro. What about aluminum bats in College and high school baseball , but not in the pros. I think the USGA and the R and A should ban it for the pros and leave it for the amateurs. Let the game be more enjoyable to the masses and let the pros show why they are the best and only use the non anchoring putter.

post #1582 of 1852
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Originally Posted by turtleback View Post

Or, "Mr. Clark, you contend that your physical condition makes it impossible for you to use a conventional putter.  Could you explain how that condition does not make it impossible to chip the ball?"
I don't understand that one. He's able to swing a driver and any other club in the bag at 70-100+ mph, but can't make a small putting motion? Sounds like bullshit.
post #1583 of 1852
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I don't understand that one. He's able to swing a driver and any other club in the bag at 70-100+ mph, but can't make a small putting motion? Sounds like bullshit.

The response was that he could putt if he had to using a conventional putter and putting stroke during a match.  His issue is practice and that his condition would make it too painful and difficult for him to practice enough to be proficient without anchoring. 

post #1584 of 1852
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Originally Posted by Mac62 View Post


Speaking of which, makes me wonder when they're going to ban that ugly "claw" grip.  Or cross-handed putting.  No other club is swung that way and it's not in the true spirit of the game of golf.  People should have to grip the putter the same way they grip every other club in the bag.  Besides, the claw or cross-handed grip is used in an attempt to cure putting woes and make a more steady stroke, thus giving them an advantage over other golfers.

But it is a golf swing.

 

Some people chip left hand low. You going to ban?

 

Anchoring is not a golf swing (according to the Rule Czar).

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