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But let's face it, this is going to have practically zero impact on his impending football career.

 

Oh yes it will. At least on where he will be drafted.

 

Before the BCS game, he was considered a mid-first round pick, somewhere in the teens. His horrible showing there will easily drop him out of the first round. Now this concocted dead girlfriend story will have a lot of teams passing on him. Goes to character, let's face it, intelligence. Two traits highly valued by NFL teams.

 

I can see him dropping to the third round where some team will consider him a 'value' pick. So that stunt cost him millions of contract dollars.

 

Now, once drafted, will this have an effect on his career? On this I agree with billchao. There's nothing to indicate this story will impact how he plays at that level - what is more alarming was how he disappeared in the BCS title game.

 

Really? On the boards I've seen, they had him going first overall to KC. Now, I saw an updated one (Jan.4th) where he was going 5th overall to Detroit, but this was before the National Championship, where he obviously had a bad game.

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Before the BCS game, he was considered a mid-first round pick, somewhere in the teens. His horrible showing there will easily drop him out of the first round. Now this concocted dead girlfriend story will have a lot of teams passing on him. Goes to character, let's face it, intelligence. Two traits highly valued by NFL teams

Ummm.... Kiper had him going to the bills at 8 after the championship game.
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Goes to character, let's face it, intelligence. Two traits highly valued by NFL teams.

 

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I think the only traits valued by NFL teams are the ability to play football and secondary is a little bit of marketing potential.

post #58 of 101

I think that was the case more in the past.  Today 1st round picks, especially top 10 first rounders have to be mentally stable and demonstrate decent judgment.  No GM wants to spend their 1st round pick on the next JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf or Brian Bosworth. 

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I think the only traits valued by NFL teams are the ability to play football and secondary is a little bit of marketing potential.

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Te'o gave an interview last night
http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=8859077


Do you believe him?
post #61 of 101

Sounds about right. Got fooled, embellished a bit (maybe to seem like not such a loser with an online only relationship), and then was more or less stuck when things unraveled.   Why he was looking for that type of relationship is another thing. We can make up a zillion stories about why that happened. 

 

All of these social engineering stories seem crazy when you know they are false. When they are happening real time, I am guessing they are a lot harder. You need to read some of the hacker books where they guys talk about how they use social engineering to get supposedly confidential info and the like. The best hackers tend not to exploit the machines. They exploit the people are the machines.  Heck I am willing to bet that you could have convinced Manti that he did meet his "GF". Imagine if after the stanford game, he gets a message saying I had fun meeting you at the aftergame party (I assume they had one with the boosters).  He meet a zillion people that night and doesn't want to admit he can't remember her.  Through in a bit of drinking (i know he is a mormon.) and slightly fuzzy memories and things are off to the races. People like to think of things as the truth and lies. In a lot of cases it is a lot messier. We remember things that didn't happen and forget things that did.  

 

Now if he should have come forward ASAP is a different question. I can see going both ways on that one.

 

 

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Te'o gave an interview last night
http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=8859077


Do you believe him?
post #62 of 101
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I think that was the case more in the past.  Today 1st round picks, especially top 10 first rounders have to be mentally stable and demonstrate decent judgment.  No GM wants to spend their 1st round pick on the next JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf or Brian Bosworth. 

I agree with you a little but there is a difference to being scammed by an online girl and the problems with the players you've named. Jamarcus was just lazy, Ryan Leaf was/is a drug addict, and Bos was juiced out of his mind, and I will even throw Marinovich in there with his drug problems. Currently Manti is the victim of an online hoax so he is more guilty of being gullible than anything else which I don't think teams will make teams come down hard on him. However I think it will put him more under the microscope to perform at the combine and on his pro day but overall I'm not sure it's going to be a big set back. If he does go early in the draft I'd expect the team that takes him to monitor his internet activity closely for a year or two. 

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I think the only traits valued by NFL teams are the ability to play football and secondary is a little bit of marketing potential.

 

Then why have the Wonderlich (sp) test? 

 

Teams value intelligence in a player. 

 

 

 

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Ummm.... Kiper had him going to the bills at 8 after the championship game.

 

Kiper is one opinion. You can find any one opinion (like the one having KC taking him first overall) that would counter the consensus & of the mocks I've seen, they had him in the teens before the BCS Championship game. 

post #64 of 101

ON Manti, I would worry more about him being hyped for things like leadership instead of insane physical play.  In the NC game he looked horrible. Maybe that was a result of this hoax. Maybe it was the scheme/poor support from the line. Maybe it is a sign he will struggle at the next level.  It is hard to evaluated college players. It is one thing to dominate guys when you are clearly the better player.  The the NFL those gaps drop  (everyone was all confernce) and it is hard to figure out who is hurt and who is helped. Atheletic monsters have been failures while "Slow" guys have gone on to be HOFers.

 

 

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I agree with you a little but there is a difference to being scammed by an online girl and the problems with the players you've named. Jamarcus was just lazy, Ryan Leaf was/is a drug addict, and Bos was juiced out of his mind, and I will even throw Marinovich in there with his drug problems. Currently Manti is the victim of an online hoax so he is more guilty of being gullible than anything else which I don't think teams will make teams come down hard on him. However I think it will put him more under the microscope to perform at the combine and on his pro day but overall I'm not sure it's going to be a big set back. If he does go early in the draft I'd expect the team that takes him to monitor his internet activity closely for a year or two. 

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ON Manti, I would worry more about him being hyped for things like leadership instead of insane physical play.  In the NC game he looked horrible. Maybe that was a result of this hoax. Maybe it was the scheme/poor support from the line. Maybe it is a sign he will struggle at the next level.  It is hard to evaluated college players. It is one thing to dominate guys when you are clearly the better player.  The the NFL those gaps drop  (everyone was all confernce) and it is hard to figure out who is hurt and who is helped. Atheletic monsters have been failures while "Slow" guys have gone on to be HOFers.

 

 

 

Did you watch him play in any game other than the national championship?  He dominated all year long.  They said he missed 2 tackles all season long and I believe it.  He was 2nd in the country in interceptions, as a linebacker.  That's not to say that the championship game won't raise questions, but if you are basing your opinion on his ability on one game, you're missing a lot of the picture.

 

I'm a Bills fan and I would be thrilled to see them draft Te'o at 8. 

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I watched him all season. Some of the interceptions were awesome but I didn't see a lot of dominating blocks and chasing guys down from behind. For example, I am not sure I would like to see him have to cover Aaron  Hernadez or any of the other fast pass catching TE in the league. I did see a ton of great fundamentals and really solid tackling. I don't pretend to know how that translates into the next level and it will probably depend to some extend on what system he is put into. 

 

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Did you watch him play in any game other than the national championship?  He dominated all year long.  They said he missed 2 tackles all season long and I believe it.  He was 2nd in the country in interceptions, as a linebacker.  That's not to say that the championship game won't raise questions, but if you are basing your opinion on his ability on one game, you're missing a lot of the picture.

 

I'm a Bills fan and I would be thrilled to see them draft Te'o at 8. 

post #67 of 101

Its looking more and more like Te'o was telling the truth.  He has given up phone records showing that he really did make calls to who he thought was Lennay.  He told Couric that sure, he started to know something was up in December and didn't come clean, but like he said, what was he supposed to do?  His world was just turned upside down, didn't really know the truth, and was in the middle of a media firestorm. I find it hard to blame the guy under the circumstances.  And it looks like he went to ESPN before the deadspin article came out.  

 

 

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8871864/manti-teo-acknowledges-lying-first-tv-interview

 

 

 

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A source close to Te'o gave ESPN's Jeremy Schaap documents that the source says are Te'o's AT&T phone records from May 11 to Sept. 12, the date that the woman was supposed to have died. Their veracity could not be independently confirmed, but the source insisted they are genuine.

The records show that in that four-month span -- when Te'o has said he believed Lennay Kekua to be in a Los Angeles hospital, recovering from an accident and being treated for cancer -- Te'o made and received more than 1,000 calls totaling more than 500 hours in length from the same number in the 661 area code. The 661 area code covers Lancaster, which is part of Los Angeles County. The source told Schaap that Te'o believed the 661 phone number in question was Kekua's.

Of these calls, 110 were more than 60 minutes in length, including several that were several hundred minutes long.

 

Weird.  

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/23/sports/ncaafootball/as-debate-raged-at-espn-manti-teo-story-slipped-from-its-hands.html?ref=sports&_r=0

 

 

 

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On Jan. 16, a fierce debate raged inside ESPN. Reporters for the network had been working for almost a week trying to nail down an extraordinary story: Manti Te’o’s girlfriend — the one whose death from leukemia had haunted and inspired him during a triumphant year on the field for Notre Dame — might be a hoax.

 

Some inside the network argued that its reporters — who had initially been put onto the story by Tom Condon, Te’o’s agent — had enough material to justify publishing an article. Others were less sure and pushed to get an interview with Te’o, something that might happen as soon as the next day. For them, it was a question of journalistic standards. They did not want to be wrong.  “We were very close,” said Vince Doria, ESPN’s chief for news. “We wanted to be very careful.” ESPN held the story, and then lost it.

 

 

 

That afternoon, Deadspin, a sports Web site, reported that the girlfriend did not exist.


Edited by dsc123 - 1/23/13 at 4:08pm
post #68 of 101

Maybe I'm just ignorant but quick question: how did this source get Te'o's cell phone records? Are those easy to procure? I've always assumed the only way they could be looked at would be by the holder of the account or by subpoena.
post #69 of 101
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Maybe I'm just ignorant but quick question: how did this source get Te'o's cell phone records? Are those easy to procure? I've always assumed the only way they could be looked at would be by the holder of the account or by subpoena.

They said it was provided by someone close to Manti.  So it sounds like he provided them himself.  

post #70 of 101
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I watched him all season. Some of the interceptions were awesome but I didn't see a lot of dominating blocks and chasing guys down from behind. For example, I am not sure I would like to see him have to cover Aaron  Hernadez or any of the other fast pass catching TE in the league. I did see a ton of great fundamentals and really solid tackling. I don't pretend to know how that translates into the next level and it will probably depend to some extend on what system he is put into. 

 

 

Lets be honest here I don't think there is any LB that will shut down a fast pass catching TE that is good. If he has a good combine and pro day he will lock himself as a first round pick unless more comes out about his cyber love life.   

post #71 of 101
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Lets be honest here I don't think there is any LB that will shut down a fast pass catching TE that is good. If he has a good combine and pro day he will lock himself as a first round pick unless more comes out about his cyber love life.   

Probably true.  

 

I can't say I remember seeing him fighting off blocks much, though.  

post #72 of 101
The story got a bit weirder because now it looks like Tuiasosopo was doing the voice of a woman. That means he put talked for more than 500 hours in a woman's voice. I don't understand his motive, why do this for 500 hours. Additionally on the Teo side, him not know he was talking to a man? This thing is just get weirder by the minute.
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