Raymond Floyd upset at Hall of Fame for inducting 'guys who don't belong' - Page 2

Freddy gets into the All Time Coolest Guy Ever to Play Golf HOF, but in the regular HOF his record is not stellar. What is stellar is his appeal and how many people he influenced along the way. They must be giving style points in which he could be winning. 

This would certainly make a more interesting Hall of Fame.  And the induction ceremonies would definitely be more fun. My inductees:

1. Walter Hagen

2. Jimmy Demaret

3. Tony Lema

4. Seve

5. Arnold Palmer

6. Darren Clarke

Poor, sorry old Ray. What a curmudgeon. Fred Couples has done more to grow the game of golf than Ray Floyd could ever dream about. It's not only about numbers.

I've always liked Ray. Loved his game and his competitive attitude. But he is just flat out wrong here and should have kept it to himself. I'm sure if Maria was still alive he never would have said that in public.

What has Fred Couples actually done to "grow the game of golf"? Fred is a cool guy. I love to watch him play and I root for him but he's not an ambassador for the game. Floyd had a much better career and is a quality guy. Very intense and a fine golfer in his prime. He's right, Couples does not deserve to be in the Golf HOF.

As do many people who found golf because of a affection for Fred, especially among junior golfers. If you ask people on the street who Raymond Floyd is you would most probably get a quizzical look. This same debate was on these boards a couple of months ago about Chi Chi Rodriguez, another guy who didn't win as much as some others, but most probably had far more of an impact on the game of golf in general than a lot of Majors winners. Don't get hung up on the numbers.

So using that logic we should see Tim Tebow in the NFL Hall of Fame when he retires?

Tim Tebow can't play NFL football. Are you saying Freddie can't play golf?

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He's an NFL QB that has generated a lot of press for the sport and has a huge fan base.  You suggested it's not all about Couples numbers, I'm just giving you another example of someone who's career numbers are lackluster but has done a lot for his sports fan base. 

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Tim Tebow can't play NFL football. Are you saying Freddie can't play golf?

He's an NFL QB that has generated a lot of press for the sport and has a huge fan base.  You suggested it's not all about Couples numbers, I'm just giving you another example of someone who's career numbers are lackluster but has done a lot for his sports fan base. 

But HE CAN'T PLAY! It is a very poor example. And Fred is hardly lackluster. They don't pick lackluster players to Captain the President's Cup.

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But HE CAN'T PLAY! It is a very poor example. And Fred is hardly lackluster. They don't pick lackluster players to Captain the President's Cup.

IMO he was selected to Captain the Presidents cup because he's well liked not because he's a great golfer.  I was exaggerating the point using Tebow in response to getting hung up on the numbers.  IMO Couples didn't have the numbers. 

But he does.  The criteria was posted above, and he meets the requirements.  How can you say anything else.  Maybe you don't agree that the requirements are stringent enough, but that isn't Freddy's fault.  By the criteria of the nomination process and by the voting, he belongs in the HoF.  In the end, that's all that really matters, and Ray Floyd was wrong to even make his feelings known publicly.  It's really none of his business.  Just about as poor a decision as Phil raving about taxes.

Ray Floyd has always been a self important prat. 

I can understand there being debate about criteria, but why one would feel the need to go public I'm not sure.  Except for his "hall of fame ego".  I have a friend who drew Floyd in a pro-Am many years ago and was quite excited.  However, the reality was that he was an absolutely self-absorbed moron and refused to speak to his pro-Am partners throughout the round.  Glad to see that he is at least consistent.

Fred Couples has been one of the most important players in the game in his generation and he is adored by fans.  Ask 100 fans whose display they would rather visit at a Hall of Fame and most would say 'Freddie' hands down.  In addition to his wins he played in multiple Ryder and President's Cups and is a two-time winning Captain of the US team.  He also represented the US (with DL3)  in the early years of the World Cup and won several.  And - by the way - the World Golf Hall of Fame (and I will come back to the importance of "World" in a moment) is supposed to be a place that attracts people to the site and to the game.  So maybe someone wildly popular with fans the world over is actually an important candidate.

As for 'Monty', I must confess that I am not a huge fan but he did win the European Tour Order of Merit SIX times in a row.  He has one of most impressive Ryder Cup records in history including captaining a winning side and has won many times around the world.  Say what you want, but it is not ridiculous for someone with that kind of record to be considered.

As a final note - this is the WORLD Golf Hall of Fame.  Therefore, golf achievements around the world are relevant.  Not just on the US Tour.  Ray Floyd's bias (it's all about what you do in the US) is symptomatic of why the US continues to get their assess handed to them in the Ryder Cup.

Do us all a favor Ray - take your grumpy old man act somewhere else !

Ray Floyd has always been a self important prat. 

I can understand there being debate about criteria, but why one would feel the need to go public I'm not sure.  Except for his "hall of fame ego".  I have a friend who drew Floyd in a pro-Am many years ago and was quite excited.  However, the reality was that he was an absolutely self-absorbed moron and refused to speak to his pro-Am partners throughout the round.  Glad to see that he is at least consistent.

Fred Couples has been one of the most important players in the game in his generation and he is adored by fans.  Ask 100 fans whose display they would rather visit at a Hall of Fame and most would say 'Freddie' hands down.  In addition to his wins he played in multiple Ryder and President's Cups and is a two-time winning Captain of the US team.  He also represented the US (with DL3)  in the early years of the World Cup and won several.  And - by the way - the World Golf Hall of Fame (and I will come back to the importance of "World" in a moment) is supposed to be a place that attracts people to the site and to the game.  So maybe someone wildly popular with fans the world over is actually an important candidate.

As for 'Monty', I must confess that I am not a huge fan but he did win the European Tour Order of Merit SIX times in a row.  He has one of most impressive Ryder Cup records in history including captaining a winning side and has won many times around the world.  Say what you want, but it is not ridiculous for someone with that kind of record to be considered.

As a final note - this is the WORLD Golf Hall of Fame.  Therefore, golf achievements around the world are relevant.  Not just on the US Tour.  Ray Floyd's bias (it's all about what you do in the US) is symptomatic of why the US continues to get their assess handed to them in the Ryder Cup.

Do us all a favor Ray - take your grumpy old man act somewhere else !