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post #37 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

Originally Posted by flyboy1 View Post
Plus, on #16 at Riviera (par 3, 155-170 depending on pin placement) most guys were hitting 7 iron when I was there (no wind) and that pin wasn't in the back. These guys aren't hitting it as far as the tv announcers are saying.

It's funny you write this. Today, Mickelson was on a Par 3 that was 197 yards. According to Nick Faldo, he was using a 7I. Phil sailed the green and he only took a 3/4 swing, too.

It was not downwind or from an elevated tee shot. Did anyone see this?
post #38 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

Originally Posted by golf_junkie27 View Post
It's funny you write this. Today, Mickelson was on a Par 3 that was 197 yards. According to Nick Faldo, he was using a 7I. Phil sailed the green and he only took a 3/4 swing, too.

It was not downwind or from an elevated tee shot. Did anyone see this?
I'm guessing Phil said 5 to the caddy, picked up a 4, and the caddy signaled 7 to the announcer.
post #39 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

flyboy - jason zuback not better than 10 handicap! that is reedicuuulous! you are plus 1.5 he is a better golfer than you are!

my average ss when swinging my best 143.2mph for 12 consecutive swings carry? dont know

swinging high 130s at moment - fastest i have ever swung really depends which numbers i believe from my ss radar - 152mph i trust - as fastest ever
post #40 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

Originally Posted by lamebums View Post
I'm guessing Phil said 5 to the caddy, picked up a 4, and the caddy signaled 7 to the announcer.
Indeed. Plus, unlike in LA, they are playing in the desert this week.
post #41 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

Originally Posted by powerfade View Post
Is there a chart that shows clubhead speed/yardage comparisons?
Reprinted from Tom Wishon's E-newsletter:

A New Visit to High Launch/Low Spin Driver Fitting


Ever since the introduction of the award winning Search Series of books, we at TWGT receive a lot of contacts from golfers who have read our books and contact us with questions about their equipment. While the topics vary, one of the most frequent involves their interest to know how they can achieve a “High Launch + Low Spin” result with their driver. Because there is a lot of confusion in the golf equipment market place about this subject, TWGT feels it appropriate to re-visit this subject to offer the very latest in technical information about this topic in clubfitting.

Speaking from a purely theoretical fitting point of view, it is true that the ultimate driver fitting should result in the combined launch parameters of “high ball speed + high launch angle + low spin.” The problem is the fact that humans swing golf clubs with a variety of different techniques, some which are not conducive to being able to achieve this theoretically perfect combination of launch parameters. In addition, this combination of “high ball speed + high launch angle + low spin” is intended to deliver the maximum carry distance – a factor which may or may not result in the greatest overall driver distance, depending on whether the fairways are more or less conducive to the roll of the ball after landing.

High Ball Speed

Of the three primary launch parameters, achieving the highest ball speed for each individual golfer is the most important and the easiest to accomplish – all you have to do is fit your golfers into one of TWGT’s driver designs and then fit the golfer with their best combination of length + shaft weight + swingweight (MOI) to ensure the golfer hits the ball on center the highest percentage of the time!

All kidding aside, TWGT is very proud of our ability to design high performance driver designs which deliver a consistently high “Smash Factor” (ball speed divided by clubhead speed) over a large area of the face. The highest possible Smash Factor capable from a USGA conforming driver for any golfer, as calculated by the most accurate launch monitor in the game, is 1.50. (Actually, it is 1.495, but because the TrackMan launch monitor reports Smash Factor to the nearest 0.01 number, TrackMan will round an actual Smash Factor of 1.495 up to 1.50)

Because of TWGT’s variable face thickness design ability, impacts ½” to ¾” above, below and to the side of the center of the face of our driver heads will still result in Smash Factors of 1.48 to 1.49, as recorded by TrackMan™. So even when the golfer has a slightly less than perfect point of impact, achieving the highest possible ball speed for their clubhead speed is the easiest of the three primary launch parameters to deliver to the golfer.

High Launch

Students of the technology of fitting are aware that the optimum launch angle for every golfer has to be related to their swing speed. It is a myth to think all golfers need to achieve the same launch angle to maximize distance. The lower the clubhead speed, the higher the launch angle must be to achieve maximum distance, and vice versa. In addition, the more downward the golfer’s angle of attack, the lower their optimum launch angle will be, and the more upward to angle of attack, the higher the optimum launch angle will be.

What specific loft angle each golfer must use to achieve their optimum launch angle for maximum total distance depends on the golfer’s swing speed + the golfer’s angle of attack + the condition of the fairways with respect to the roll of the ball on the golf courses they play. Without question, the angle of attack is extremely important to know to be able to help any golfer find which loft generates the optimum launch angle for their swing speed.

The angle of attack is the direction the clubhead travels to impact in relation to the ground. The A of A is measured in degrees Upward or Downward, or Level to the ground. The ideal condition for maximizing driver distance is an upward A of A. Golfers with a downward A of A are at an immediate disadvantage when trying to maximize distance off the tee.

The more the golfer swings with an upward A of A to the ball, the lower the driver head loft can be to generate a high and optimum launch angle. The lower the loft of the driver head, the lower the spin rate on the ball. Hence, an upward A of A is the best way to achieve the ideal combination of high launch + low spin. To contrast, the golfer with a downward A of A has to use a higher loft to achieve their optimal launch angle, and with that higher loft comes more backspin.

After the ball velocity, the launch angle is the second most important launch parameter to optimize to deliver maximum distance to each golfer. Spin is definitely in last place.

Low Spin

The role of backspin in optimizing distance is a launch parameter that is least understood and most confusing. The reason that lower spin is considered to be beneficial for maximizing driver distance is because the higher the spin rate and speed of the ball, the more friction is generated between the ball and the air through which it flies. The greater the friction between the air and the ball in flight, the sooner the speed and lift of the ball can decay and contribute to a decrease in distance.

Loft has the greatest effect on changing the launch angle of the shot. However, loft is also the number one clubhead specification which controls spin; the higher the loft, the higher the backspin. Elements such as the shaft or clubhead center of gravity do not generate as much change in launch angle as many golfers are led to believe. Changes in launch angle from the shaft can only happen for golfers who possess a relatively late unhinging of the wrist-cock angle before impact, further limiting the shaft’s effect on launch angle.
The slower the golfer’s ball speed, an increase in spin may be required to keep the ball in the air to fly its maximum distance. Even for golfers with a high ball speed, there is a point at which the spin can be too low to generate enough lift to combine with the ball speed to keep the ball in the air to fly its maximum distance.
It is extremely important for golfers to achieve their optimum launch angle in order to optimize their potential for distance. To sacrifice the launch angle to achieve a perceived low spin on the ball is a mistake that will result in significantly less distance than the golfer is capable of achieving.
Once the correct loft is known that will combine with the golfer’s angle of attack to result in the golfer’s best launch angle for distance, there is very little that can be done from an equipment standpoint to change the spin while keeping the launch angle stable. Changes in the ball design do not typically offer more than a few hundred rpms of spin difference. What’s more, the slower the golfer’s ball speed, the less the rpm difference between a high and low spin ball design.
Changes in the center of gravity position between clubheads will elicit their effect on spin by changing the dynamic loft of the head at impact through the effect of the CG on the forward bending of the shaft. As a result, such CG changes alter the launch angle, which in turn will require another change in the loft to correct. When the golfer finds the driver head loft which generates the best launch angle for their ball speed + angle of attack, but the spin is still too high in relation to the “theoretical spin guidelines,” reducing the spin on the shot is something that can only be remedied by a change in the golfer’s swing technique.
Putting it All Together

Thanks to our technical association with the good people at TrackMan™/ISG AS, we are happy to share a couple of charts of information compiled from research being done with a wide variety of golfers by the TrackMan™ launch system. The following charts show the optimum launch parameters for maximum driver distance.
Chart 1 shows optimum launch parameters for different clubhead speeds + different ranges of angle of attack to achieve maximum CARRY DISTANCE. Chart 2 shows the optimum launch parameters to achieve maximum TOTAL DISTANCE of carry + roll, based on lowering the angle of descent of the ball to the ground to take advantage of more roll from firm to dry fairway conditions.

One of the most important bits of information to derive from this information is how much a downward angle of attack limits the golfer’s potential for distance. Take a look at the difference in carry distance for the +5° and -5° Angles of Attack for each clubhead speed. For example, at 90mph, which is very close to the average man’s driver clubhead speed, the optimum launch parameters show the 90mph golfer with a 5° upward angle of attack can carry the ball 27 yards farther than a golfer with the same clubhead speed but with a 5° downward angle of attack. Yes, the lower launch angle of the 90mph / -5° A of A will generate a little more roll but not enough to make up the distance difference. For all clubhead speeds, the golfer with a downward angle of attack is losing significant driver distance compared to what they could achieve were they to have a level or upward angle of attack.
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post #42 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

Originally Posted by iacas View Post
Well, I'm a 3.x index and I swing about 108 with about 245-250 carry, and that's accurate. I've measured on days when my ball embeds or just pops out of its pitch mark.

Besides, if you care enough about golf to join a forum, you're not the average duffer who hits the ball 180 yards off the tee. You've probably been somewhat fitted or whatever, and the odds are you are a better than average golfer.
Some short hitters surf the forum. I am going to get my swing speed measured this week, but I suspect it is quite low. I only get 200 to 220 yds off the tee. I took the poll about driving distance and a large number of people taking this poll were in the same boat.
post #43 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

Originally Posted by allin View Post
OK guys you are looking at this to simplisticly. I am a slow swinger. My swing speed goes from 87 to a max of 93. Ball speed between 125 and 130. Ball speed doesn't go up as much because the quality of my contact goes down as I swing harder. Spin and launch angle are also factors. If you are really a solid player your ball speed is about 1.5 times your swing / clubhead speed. My maximum carry is only 210, average about 225 total distance.
My swing speed is around 89-93 and I have pretty much the same results. I think my carry on average was around 214 and my roll was around 237.

I had around 2,200 spin rate on my ball.
post #44 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

It doesn't matter a lick what your swing speed is. I can typically hit it 330 on the par fours at my home course, which is only a 6200 yd tract.

My 60 to 30 yard game is a pure "best guess" to me,,,,which costs me strokes.

I'm 38 years old and was a Florida Relay top 4 in the shotput and discus in high school, 6'2" 250 lbs "todays fighting weight"...a tad bit overweight...anyways, i have a good understanding of snap and torque having thrown the shot put 54 feet and the discus 176 feet in high school.

I am a 7.7 hcap and am good off the tee, and i think above average at chipping and probably average at putting.

Bottom line....60 year old good players at my club give me a run for the money in a match.

It's all about consistency and course management! especially on par 5's!

The quest for the chest expanding drive that is 15 yards better than your average is a waste of time, especially when a 60 yr. old runs it up to the flag from 150 with his 4 iron....
post #45 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

three putt


thank you for your cv - we will be in touch

k
post #46 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

Average-98-102
Max-107
Average Carry- 230 yards (With a pure, high draw{which doesn't happen often})
post #47 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

Originally Posted by bcp View Post
Funny how everyone is 100+ mph and 250+ yards on a message board...
I can believe that a lot of people swing 100+ and hit it 250+. I'm a scratch golfer and hit the ball 265-270 on average. One of the guys in our normal group hits the ball way by me, BUT can't touch me as far as score goes. There are a lot of people out there that can hit the ball a long way, but keep in mind that hitting the ball a long way does not in any way indicate their level of play. To many variables go into a round of golf to assume that just because someone hits it 300 with a 120 mph swing speed that they are somehow ready for the tour. 300 straight consistently is one thing, but 300 and 50 yards to the right is another.
post #48 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

My average swing speed is about 90 MPH with 205 yards of carry and 230-240 with roll.

It was kind of funny though when I used the lauch monitor for the first time I accidently topped a ball and it said my swing speed was 190 MPH. The pro was like, whoa, I've never seen that before.
post #49 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

If I am playing for a tournament ss is about 95-100mph with a carry of about 260 and a little draw and that stays in the fairway most of the time...in a scramble like i played to day they had a long drive competition on one of the par 5's...no radar so i don't know the swing speed but i let it all out and bombed one about 315-320...everyone was amazed because i'm a small guy only about 125 pounds and i killed all the big hitters haha it was awesome
post #50 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

I'm not sure about my swing speed, I measured it w/ a speed stick and it was like 105-110... Normally I'm driving including roll is 270-300 depending on if I get it in the sweet spot (which is really inconsistant for me)... The longest drive I hit this year was 312, w/ a good kick down hill. Currently use the R7 super quad, w/ stiff flex.

My buddy whom played college golf is amazing though, we were out playing and he was averaging 320 - 340 w/ roll. He drove a par 4 355, absolutely amazing.

He is using a titleist 983k, w/ a special x flex shaft... I think he told me his swing speed is between 125 - 127 consistant.
post #51 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

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The hammer!
post #52 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

Originally Posted by oreodawg1 View Post
If I am playing for a tournament ss is about 95-100mph with a carry of about 260 and a little draw and that stays in the fairway most of the time...in a scramble like i played to day they had a long drive competition on one of the par 5's...no radar so i don't know the swing speed but i let it all out and bombed one about 315-320...everyone was amazed because i'm a small guy only about 125 pounds and i killed all the big hitters haha it was awesome


Just bollocks, 95 -100 mph so say 98 isnt going to fly 260 on average!!. You swing less than 10mph faster than the previous poster and he claims 90mph and 205 carry (accurate) it is just boring reading such crap on these pages, why does your golf ball fly so much further than everone elses? - you swing at 95 -100 and swing harder and you hit it 320? yes 320 260 carry with 60 yards roll? Or do you crank it up to 125mph from your prob 98mph swing (again nuts)

Dont reply with the guff that yes but i hit it far, your statement of ss relative to carry distance is way off - oh but when i hit it perfect in perfect conditions with perfect smash etc etc - well you didnt say that 95 - 100mph is not a 260 carry by by credibility - 100mph the MOST you can expect is 245yard To average 260 carry as you imply would be in more like 115mph
post #53 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

My average SS is 106-108MPH, with a regular flex shaft. I used to swing at 114-118MPH, until I broke my 3 wood's shaft. Average carry is now at 260yards.

I have a question about which flex to choose. I am unsure as to whether I should go with stiff or x-stiff. I tried x-stiff but it felt weird, I really had to put the speed up for it to feel good.
post #54 of 168

Re: What is your swing speed and carry?

get fitted from a pro

expect at least the following

- you can bring your current driver to set a benchmark
- he doesnt immediatly tell you the flex of shaft you require
- he is aware that a stiff shaft will vary greatly from company to company
- even shafts from the same manufacturer with the same Letter are NOT identical
- He has a wide range of shafts and heads, different brands (you would ideally get fit for a whole driver unless £££ an issue)
- remember just because you hit your mates callaway better than your current driver and he hits it further than ever before, this doesnt necesarrily mean that it is even close to being optomised for either of you.

FYI - i had a fitting and gained 30 yards (i know a fair bit about driving and have won longdrive events in the past) use the technology
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