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post #19 of 109

Tiger is No. 1 right now. You don't need models to see that.

post #20 of 109

For me the only people that have chances this year at winning the masters is...

Tiger or Sneds.. maybe Kuchar or Mickelson

post #21 of 109

He would be Number 1 right now, if it weren't for the arbitrary 40 event minimum that is used for OWGR.

 

OWGR:

Rory - 47 events  - 538.97 points - average 11.47 avg

Tiger - 36 events - 419.04 points - 11.64 avg (but using 40 event minimum) 10.48

post #22 of 109

I watched every shot Tiger hit on Sunday at Doral and he hit plenty of draws when he felt the need too. On the range he hit mostly pull fades but included several draws, and during the course of the round he hit several draws. Granted, they were about 3 to 4 yard push draws, small but still draws.

post #23 of 109
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It's pretty straightforward, really.

 

Nobody else was winning much when Luke was playing pretty well, winning a few and finishing high other times.

That does not answer my question. There must be a some form of calculating the results. Please elaborate if you know what it is.

post #24 of 109
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That does not answer my question. There must be a some form of calculating the results. Please elaborate if you know what it is.

 

http://www.officialworldgolfranking.com/about_us/default.sps?iType=425

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_World_Golf_Ranking#Calculation_of_the_rankings

post #25 of 109

Tiger's chances of taking the OGWR #1 spot just took a hit according to Jspangler with the return of The Gingerbread man set for Bay Hill!

 

 

Brandt Snedeker plans to return from the disabled list at next week’s Arnold Palmer Invitational, his management company confirmed to Golf Channel on Wednesday.

 

post #26 of 109

I think he'll be back to #1 somewhere between Augusta and the US Open.  I also don't buy the "he can't hit a draw" so he wont win at Augusta argument.  He will hit 3 woods on 13 and 15 and that's about all he needs to do.  I don't think he'll win The Masters though, I think Phil probably will.

post #27 of 109

Ok, I was just looking over the OWGR... And was curious where Tigers totals were in a historical perspective...  The numbers only go back to 2003, but still gives us some interesting perspectives on where Tiger is in 2013, compared to the Tiger of old.

 

In September 2007, Tiger had an astounding 24.3558 point average.  What does that mean?  In comparison Rory is currently at #1 with an 11.47 point average and Tiger sits at 10.48.

 

24.3558 average over ~ 40 events would be a 974.232 point total for Tiger...  Tiger currently has a 419.04 point total using today's OWGR.  Looking at the two, his current versus his peak, that's a 555.192 differential... So how many wins would Tiger need to eclipse the pinnacle he reached in 2007?  

 

Lets see... Tiger would need to win another 11 tournaments like Torey Pines (50 pts)... Or win another eight WGC or FedEx playoffs (74pts)... Or six majors (100pts) over the next two years - or some combination of them!!

 

That shows how good Tiger was... To say he is 'back'... I think he is getting there.  But he isn't close to where he once was.

post #28 of 109
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Originally Posted by Beachcomber View Post

Ok, I was just looking over the OWGR... And was curious where Tigers totals were in a historical perspective...  The numbers only go back to 2003, but still gives us some interesting perspectives on where Tiger is in 2013, compared to the Tiger of old.

In September 2007, Tiger had an astounding 24.3558 point average.  What does that mean?  In comparison Rory is currently at #1 with an 11.47 point average and Tiger sits at 10.48.

Want to be really astounded? The numbers do go back farther than 2003, it's just the downloadable player-by-player .csv files that end then. If you go to a general leaderboard, you can look at the rankings week-by-week. I only poked around very briefly, but the highest I ever found Tiger was the week of June 3rd, 2001. Tiger had 32.44 points! http://dps.endavadigital.net/owgr/doc/content/archive/2001/owgr22f.pdf
post #29 of 109
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Want to be really astounded? The numbers do go back farther than 2003, it's just the downloadable player-by-player .csv files that end then. If you go to a general leaderboard, you can look at the rankings week-by-week. I only poked around very briefly, but the highest I ever found Tiger was the week of June 3rd, 2001. Tiger had 32.44 points! http://dps.endavadigital.net/owgr/doc/content/archive/2001/owgr22f.pdf

How freaking sick is that... So for those wondering or too lazy to do the math...

 

32.44 average.... 1,297.6 point total (over 40 events)

He would need to win 25 tournaments like Torrey (50 pts).... Or 18 WGC/FedEx Playoff events (74 pts).... Or 13 majors over the course of two years.  c1_cursing.gif

 

The differential from where he is as of 3-14-2012 to where he would need to be to reach that 6-3-2001 mark is.... 878.56.  So that equates to another 18 tournament wins, 9 WGC / FedEx Playoff wins... Or 9 majors... Or some mix of the three.  Pretty much needs to have at least 9 wins a season over the course of two years to reach his pinnacle.

 

What I'm pissed about is that during that amazing run.... 2000 to 2001.  I had my head up my ass (many would argue I still do), and didn't really follow golf.  So while I would see Tiger on Sports Center... I didn't really watch any of those tournaments where he was on the prowl and crushing the field.

post #30 of 109
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Originally Posted by Beachcomber View Post

How freaking sick is that... So for those wondering or too lazy to do the math...

 

32.44 average.... 1,297.6 point total (over 40 events)

 

You really should have clicked the link... ;)   45 events.

post #31 of 109

Yeah, I see his point total was higher - but he played in 45 tournaments.  Right now he isn't even meeting the minimum requirement (40 tournaments).  So that is why I used that number... z5_smartass.gif

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You really should have clicked the link... ;)

 

 

post #32 of 109

Okay you do know that the 32.44 was under a previous ranking system - the new system starts from 2007.

post #33 of 109
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Okay you do know that the 32.44 was under a previous ranking system - the new system starts from 2007.

I didn't know that... z7_no.gif

post #34 of 109
Am I wrong or do I sense a serious lack of respect for what Donald and Rory have been able to do in the past few years?
If I recall correctly Tiger retained his number one status long after his meltdown. I recall for a couple of months where Tiger was clearly not the best golfer in the world but because of his tremendous run for a couple years he was able to keep his status.
Maybe I just see things through "lefty colored glasses" but I I think its pretty clear that Donald has been the most consistent golfer in the world for a couple of years now.
That being said I do think that Tiger may be the best in the world right now...even if I don't particularly care for him.
post #35 of 109
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Am I wrong or do I sense a serious lack of respect for what Donald and Rory have been able to do in the past few years?
If I recall correctly Tiger retained his number one status long after his meltdown. I recall for a couple of months where Tiger was clearly not the best golfer in the world but because of his tremendous run for a couple years he was able to keep his status.
Maybe I just see things through "lefty colored glasses" but I I think its pretty clear that Donald has been the most consistent golfer in the world for a couple of years now.
That being said I do think that Tiger may be the best in the world right now...even if I don't particularly care for him.

Are we talking about the most consistent golfer, or the best golfer over the last two years (in relation to field)?  Because if we are talking about the best... Rory would be that man.  And Tiger would be behind him - see the rankings.

 

Now if we are talking about the most consistent... I dunno.

 

But, Donald hasn't won a tournament since last May...

post #36 of 109
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Originally Posted by mp33 man View Post

Am I wrong or do I sense a serious lack of respect for what Donald and Rory have been able to do in the past few years?
If I recall correctly Tiger retained his number one status long after his meltdown.
I recall for a couple of months where Tiger was clearly not the best golfer in the world but because of his tremendous run for a couple years he was able to keep his status.
Maybe I just see things through "lefty colored glasses" but I I think its pretty clear that Donald has been the most consistent golfer in the world for a couple of years now.
That being said I do think that Tiger may be the best in the world right now...even if I don't particularly care for him.

Tiger retained the #1 ranking until early November (or very late October) 2010, so a tad under a year after the car crash.

So, OWGR-wise, from November 2008 to November 2010 were being used. He didn't play from Nov 2008 to Feb 2009 with the post-U.S. Open win knee surgery. He won 6 times in 2009 total. Then he took off from Nov 2009 to April 2010 with the scandal stuff, had a neck injury that kept him out a month after the Players in May, and took off more time than usual in Oct/Nov 2010 after missing out on the Tour Championship.

Lee Westwood was the one who originally took over the top ranking, then Martin Kaymer for a bit in early 2011, then Luke Donald, then Rory, back to Luke, and then Rory.

I'm not exactly sure what point I'm trying to make, so...
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