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post #55 of 161
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Originally Posted by AmazingWhacker View Post

I love the slow play penalty . .I wish they would assess strokes every week.  But they don't.  In fact, they almost never do.  So my only issue with this ruling is that it seems unfair to single out this amatuer - who is not even a tour player - to assess the first penalty stroke for slow play in 17 years (or something like that). 

So he was put on the clock and didn't get back into position.  Am I to understand that he is the first player not to do so in 17 years? 

Love the penalty - disagree with this particular application.  If this had been one of the tours many chronically slow players . .or any regular tour member, for that matter, I would not have any question about it.  Now that they have broken the seal on the stroke penalty . .this better not be the only time we see it this year.  I expect to see this penalty weekly . or I am definitely calling BS on the whole thing . .and I know the folks at The Masters are really nervous about what my opinion is, lol.


I completely agree
post #56 of 161

Are their details on how slow he was playing? Like how many seconds/minutes per shot?

post #57 of 161

You can say what you want about playing a 6 hour round, that doesn't matter. What matters is that he constantly took over 40 seconds per shot, and was routinely warned to speed it up. If Tiger's group was held up because of the groups ahead of him. Hmm i wonder what group was ahead of him holding up everyone behind them, oh wait the one with the 14 year old. Why penalize the groups behind this kid because was holding everyone up. Sorry, but if you know anything about supply chain, the fastest a group in a Queue can go is the slowest group at the front of the pack. No matter how fast Tiger can go, he can't play ahead of this kid. So stop Bitching about how long tiger took to play 18 holes, he wasn't taking over 40 seconds a shot. They don't count how long it takes you to walk to your ball or how long you wait for a green to clear up. Its how long it takes him, for when he is able to proceed with his shot, to play his shot. That is slow play, that is all he can control, that was what he was penalized for. Even Ben Crane doesn't get hit with slow play.

post #58 of 161

By being out of position, he puts everyone behind him off the pace. He was talked to and warned. He lost out.

post #59 of 161
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Originally Posted by chico713 View Post

A penalty shot on a 14 year old Chinese amateur?  Are you frigging kidding me??!!!  And then none of these sycophantic announcers have the balls to say how wrong it was because they don't want to get banned by the racist and fascist Augusta National administrators.  C'mon the kid is 14!!!  What id that 8th grade.  Pick on these other guys that are taking FOREVER to get a yardage, read the wind, chat with the caddie, ask the PATRONS to be quiet..If this kid missed the cut over this it would be a travesty.  I love the course and the back 9 on Sunday but these guys should take their bully act and stick it up their ass.  

Trevino changed his shoes in the parking lot for a reason

Nobilo, Chamblee, and the rest of them are a bunch of pussies

Well, first, whether he is a "kid" or not is irrelevant. From what I heard in the media, it was not only about slow play. He was warned 3 times and was only given the penalty because  his group was out of position due to his slow play.

post #60 of 161
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Originally Posted by inthehole View Post


Ok, so you're taking this opportunity to bag on Michelle wie and air your opinion on the Chinese by painting with a broad brush of their national ego. Seriously ?? The kid is the first chinese national to make the cut at the masters & he gets singled out & IF he missed the cut as a result of this jackassery - how welcome to golf do you think the Chinese people would feel about it? It would have been huge news in china and as a nation largely unfamiliar with golf, they would not understand - I'm just saying this was NOT the time or place to administer such a penalty, it would have been absolutely disastrous if he missed the cut as a result. I for one wish he showed a little more emotion about it ...

He didn't get singled out because he was 14, he didn't get singled out because he was Chinese.  He got penalized because he refused to act on the MULTIPLE slow play warnings he received and speed up his pace of play.  I don't know why that is so difficult for some to comprehend. 

post #61 of 161

This, then you tack on Tiger's 2 stroke "illegal drop" and you have to wonder if there are ulterior motives behind the penalties.  Both seemed a little outrageous to me...

post #62 of 161
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Originally Posted by breakingeighty View Post

This, then you tack on Tiger's 2 stroke "illegal drop" and you have to wonder if there are ulterior motives behind the penalties.  Both seemed a little outrageous to me...

You're absolutely right.  Tiger should have been DQ'ed and its outrageous that he wasn't.

post #63 of 161
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Originally Posted by newtogolf View Post

 I don't know why that is so difficult for some to comprehend. 

 

Listen, I understand and comprehend EXACTLY why the ruling was made so keep your condescending tone to yourself.      My point is that this was NOT the time or especially the venue to enforce a rule that is so rarely enforced.    I couldn't feel stronger about this.    Obviously, slow play is a huge problem in golf today - we hear about it every weekend on TV & experience it on the course.     If the rule was regularly enforced, then sure, fire away with the penalty - it is not.   It seems like everything at Augusta, they wanted to set a precedent & the kid was the obvious scapegoat.    If it impacted him from not making the cut (which it almost did), it would have been a far bigger story than the Tiger penalty & enormously detrimental for the greater good of golf at large, is this so difficult for you to understand or comprehend ?

post #64 of 161
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Originally Posted by inthehole View Post

Listen, I understand and comprehend EXACTLY why the ruling was made so keep your condescending tone to yourself.      My point is that this was NOT the time or especially the venue to enforce a rule that is so rarely enforced.    I couldn't feel stronger about this.    Obviously, slow play is a huge problem in golf today - we hear about it every weekend on TV & experience it on the course.     If the rule was regularly enforced, then sure, fire away with the penalty - it is not.   It seems like everything at Augusta, they wanted to set a precedent & the kid was the obvious scapegoat.    If it impacted him from not making the cut (which it almost did), it would have been a far bigger story than the Tiger penalty & enormously detrimental for the greater good of golf at large, is this so difficult for you to understand or comprehend ?

Disagree. You don't pick and choose when to enforce rules. He was backing up the entire golf course behind him.

And it wasn't close to being bigger than the Tiger penalty.
post #65 of 161
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Originally Posted by inthehole View Post

 

Listen, I understand and comprehend EXACTLY why the ruling was made so keep your condescending tone to yourself.      My point is that this was NOT the time or especially the venue to enforce a rule that is so rarely enforced.    I couldn't feel stronger about this.    Obviously, slow play is a huge problem in golf today - we hear about it every weekend on TV & experience it on the course.     If the rule was regularly enforced, then sure, fire away with the penalty - it is not.   It seems like everything at Augusta, they wanted to set a precedent & the kid was the obvious scapegoat.    If it impacted him from not making the cut (which it almost did), it would have been a far bigger story than the Tiger penalty & enormously detrimental for the greater good of golf at large, is this so difficult for you to understand or comprehend ?

What would be so "enormously detrimental" to the greater good of golf if a 14 year old kid from China got penalized for slow play and didn't make the cut?  He chose to ignore the multiple warnings and forced others in his group to run to their ball to make up for his slow play. 

 

It doesn't matter that he's a kid or from China, if you're warned multiple times about slow play, you pick up the pace or risk a penalty.  He was defiant and got hit with the penalty.   

 

No way was this or would it have been a bigger story than Tiger.  Once the Tiger story broke no one even mentioned Guan and after his 77 today he's likely not going to be brought up tomorrow. 

post #66 of 161
I think the official (or someone higher up) did not like his use of the belly putter.b2_tongue.gif
post #67 of 161
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Originally Posted by inthehole View Post

Listen, I understand and comprehend EXACTLY why the ruling was made so keep your condescending tone to yourself.      My point is that this was NOT the time or especially the venue to enforce a rule that is so rarely enforced.    I couldn't feel stronger about this.    Obviously, slow play is a huge problem in golf today - we hear about it every weekend on TV & experience it on the course.     If the rule was regularly enforced, then sure, fire away with the penalty - it is not.   It seems like everything at Augusta, they wanted to set a precedent & the kid was the obvious scapegoat.    If it impacted him from not making the cut (which it almost did), it would have been a far bigger story than the Tiger penalty & enormously detrimental for the greater good of golf at large, is this so difficult for you to understand or comprehend ?

The reason this rule is so rarely enforced is because most people follow it...

The rule is enforced beyond this guy, I've seen it enforced several other times this year alone.

He was warned 3 times, he ignored the rules to benefit himself, he took a penalty.

This has nothing to do with him being Chinese (there are a lot of nationalities out there), this has nothing to do with his age (I think we all agree that a 14 year old playing is good for golf), this is not them setting an example... This is the rules of the game being enforced.

As mentioned, if bubba would have incurred this penalty, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
post #68 of 161
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Originally Posted by chico713 View Post

Two quickies 1. The penalty has NEVER (sorry if the caps offend anyone) been called in the history of the masters and 2. If you think Paramour acted without consulting the masters officials you're naive. These guy are control freaks

 

So let me get this straight...he shouldn't have been penalized because 1. He's 14  and 2. It's never been called before.
 
Those are the two most ridiculous reasons I have ever heard. He was warned repeatedly. In fact, I dare say that the reason the penalty has never been enforced prior to Friday was that everyone else in the history of the Masters SPED UP when they were put on the clock!
 
As far as his age is concerned, working at a golf course like I do I see the junior golfers of today and witness just how unbelievably slow they play. Its ridiculous! We had a high school tournament two weeks ago, it took them 5 1/2 hours to complete the round. Hopefully the young man learned his lesson and will begin to play at a decent pace from now on.
post #69 of 161

Kid had unusual circumstances. Shorter hitter, first to hit, most likely hybrids and fairway woods,  clock starts on the first hitter usually and that was usually him.  Caddy not necessarily fully in tune w/ the kid's way of playing and the club distances,  very windy day when the kid was on the course, fast greens.  Kid isn't conditioned to a course found to be difficult/challenging, even to greats like Lefty - no big deal.  Looks like he's kicking PGA Champ Keegan Bradley's ass even with the penalty. He has yet to three-putt a single green during this tournament.

 

I'm a fan of the kid now - and hope that he becomes the world's number one some day.

post #70 of 161

Jack Nicklaus was given a two-stroke slow play penalty. 1966, Portland, I think?

post #71 of 161
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Originally Posted by Rick Martin View Post

Kid had unusual circumstances. Shorter hitter, first to hit, most likely hybrids and fairway woods,  clock starts on the first hitter usually and that was usually him.  Caddy not necessarily fully in tune w/ the kid's way of playing and the club distances,  very windy day when the kid was on the course, fast greens.  Kid isn't conditioned to a course found to be difficult/challenging, even to greats like Lefty - no big deal.  Looks like he's kicking PGA Champ Keegan Bradley's ass even with the penalty. He has yet to three-putt a single green during this tournament.

 

I'm a fan of the kid now - and hope that he becomes the world's number one some day.

 

Everyone has unusual circumstances... not going to treat him differently because he's a kid. 

But yeah, he is beating Keegan, props! 

post #72 of 161
Be interesting to see Guan paired up with Rory Sabbatini;-). Seriously though, it would be good to see more slow play penalties called on some of these guys. I love Snedeker's game, knows what he wants to do, steps in there and gets on with it. I wish more of them would play that way.
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