Relief From Relief ?

Originally Posted by Fourputt

First of all,  the status of the fence must be determined.  If the fence was what defined out of bounds, then he shouldn't have gotten relief.  Fences or walls defining out of bounds are not obstructions.  In that case, any relief would be under Rule 28, Ball unplayable, and would incur a penalty stroke.

If the fence is not the margin defining out of bounds, then he would be entitled to relief without penalty under Rule 24.  He must locate the nearest point of complete relief for lie, stance, and area of intended swing  from the obstruction.  He is allowed one clublength from that point, no nearer to the hole, for his drop area.  If the ball, after dropping, rolls more than 2 clublengths or rolls closer to the hole than the nearest point of relief, or rolls back into a condition of interference with the same obstruction, then it must be redropped.  If it does the same after the second drop, the ball must be placed where it first hit the ground.

If the ball doesn't roll more than 2 clublengths, and doesn't roll nearer to the hole, then it is in play, and if there is interference with another obstruction, then he would be allowed to take relief under Rule 24 for that second condition.

Originally Posted by Stretch

Quick add-on question: player's ball is in a hazard (small drainage ditch) and his swing is affected by an obstruction outside the hazard (staked tree). There is no area within the hazard and not closer to the hole that offers relief -- what does he do?

Originally Posted by Mordan

You don't get relief from an obstruction when your ball is in a hazard.

Exception to rule 24-2:

Note 1: If a ball is in a water hazard (including a lateral water hazard), the player may not take relief from interference by an immovable obstruction. The player must play the ball as it lies or proceed under Rule 26-1.

Originally Posted by rogolf

However, a staked tree is not an obstruction.  If there is a local Rule for staked trees, it tells us to take relief as if it was an obstruction, but does not define the staked tree as an obstruction.

Originally Posted by Stretch

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Originally Posted by rogolf

However, a staked tree is not an obstruction.  If there is a local Rule for staked trees, it tells us to take relief as if it was an obstruction, but does not define the staked tree as an obstruction.

Are you implying that that changes the ruling?

Originally Posted by Rulesman

Young trees requiring protection are not always staked. The may simply be marked with a tie or paint. If they are staked, the stake would almost certainly fastened to the tree, making the stake an IO.

Relief for a YTRP would normally be available under 24-2 but 24-2 does not apply when the ball is in a WH.

Originally Posted by rogolf

If the recommended local Rule is in effect, it provides relief for interference by a young tree so marked even when the ball is in a water hazard.

PROTECTION OF THE COURSE

Only flower beds on the course marked with green stakes are ground under repair from which play is prohibited. If a player’s ball lies in these areas, or if they interfere with the player’s stance or swing, the player MUST take relief under Rule 25-1.

Trees that are required to be protected from damage are identified by white stakes. If a tree so marked interferes with a player’s stance or the area of intended swing, the ball MUST be lifted & dropped without penalty as provided in Rule 24-2.

All CANDELABRA plants, irrespective of where they are – the player MUST take relief in accordance with Rule 25-1.

Originally Posted by tomvk77

Second after 3 drops he should have placed the ball on the place his last drop hit the ground.

Originally Posted by Rulesman

Providing the ball hasn't rolled more than 2 club lengths from the spot it hit the ground you don't get a redrop, whether it finished on a path or not.