Originally Posted by AmazingWhacker
Slow play does hurt. It costs golf courses money by reducing the number of rounds that can be played in a day, for one thing. For another, it reduces the enjoyment of many golfers - leading them to play less golf, avoid the course during peak times, etc. Time is worth something, as well. If a slow group extends my round by 1 hour, then that is 1 hour I have lost without compensation. It means that some work or family obligation will be neglected. In a sense, a slow player is "stealing" time from everybody else on the course.
The problem is still, that is your perception, not reality. What someone likes or doesn't like is an illusion of perception create by the mind of that person. Pollution is not. I will say it does reduce the number of rounds played, but in terms of enjoyment, that is an individual problem, not an actual problem.
What do you want compensated? You pay to play golf, not get paid to play golf. This is were your created a misconception for yourself, and an unmeetable obligation on other people, in reality you are being selfish because you think 4 hours is this some gold standard that a round should never go over. If you are planning something close to that 4 hour mark, that's just stupid.
Once again steeling time is an illusion, a selfish obligation your putting on other people by a standard you think should be met. When i go to the course, and end up playing a 5 hour round, i don't think someone is stealing time from me, so please don't say, "Everyone", because that's not true. That is your perception, or how you feel, which is just you thinking that way.
By your logic, you would be pissed off if a baseball game went into extra innings. By your logic you would require they get the 9 innings done in under 3 hours. If not, call the game.
Originally Posted by flintcreek6412
When I tee off on a normal day I have to present my receipt to the starter(even as members we have to check in and get a receipt). My receipt has my tee time on it. Why not have another ranger on #5. He would check your tee time receipt to the posted pace of play and make certain you are in compliance. If not you get a warning. At the turn you are checked again. If still behind you get the boot. Make all players aware at the pro shop that they are subject to ejection without refund if they don't adhere to pace of play.
Courses can help pace of play by keeping the rough mown to a manageable length so people aren't searching for balls in the rough. I know that when my course hosts certain tournaments they let the rough grow in a bit. Play is much slower during that time because people are searching for balls that you can literally drive over without seeing.
I also know that my course has it posted on the scorecard what the recommended tees are for your ability. Black tees are scratch. Blues 1-5 HC, White 6-10, Gold 10-18, Silver 18plus.
I would LOVE to see a guy step up to the Black or Blues and have a ranger ask to see his handicap card. Sorry son, go hit from the silvers. People need to have a realistic idea of how long and hard the course they play is. I promise you that the whites on my course are nothing like the whites on most courses. If you are used to playing a 6000yrd 68/115 white tee, don't try the whites at 6500 73/140. Those tees will play an easy 5-6 strokes harder. If you bomb it 300yrd every time but playing from neighbor fairways....you better look around here......because there is nothing but heather and lots of lost balls between holes.
Tee times.....my course does it in 10 minute blocks. I've seen others do it in 7-8 minutes. 7-8 minutes are always backed up. The 10s not so much. Still might take same amount of time to play a round but you don't FEEL like you've waited on 10 minute tee times.
The USGA could help this issue too. I'm all about the true rules of golf, but if someone is really playing to post a handicap, stroke and distance is a time killer on a lost ball for lots of links style courses. Watch a guy go look for his ball in tall grass only to realize that by the rules he needs to back to the tee, that's already backed up and hit another ball. Talk about time killer. Yes, most should hit provisional but lots don't. Why pull pins on the green?
Players.....Ready golf. Easy damn concept. Walk 30 yards to your ball from the cart while your buddy is hitting. I can't count the times I see a guy sitting in his cart while his buddy hits. They then drive 30yrds sideways to get to his ball. WTF?? I was behind a 3 some walking the other day. They were all standing at their respective balls with their bags watching one guy do his routine and hit. Then they begin their club selection, routine and hit. Why would you not do that while he's hitting?
It takes everyone taking pace of play serious to make it better. I think most is out of pure ignorance of having not been taught course management and pace of play etiquette. It is hard to fault some groups that simply don't know better. What bugs me is the groups that know better but simply don't care because they are so self absorbed while trying to break 90 while refusing to spend any time on the putting/chipping greens. They bomb drivers at the range and that is the extent of their practice yet they want to imitate the pros on the course.
Once again, do you create a rule that is hardlined or bendable? Would you boot someone who was just 5 minutes over? 30 minutes? What's the cutoff. What if that person just had a bad 9th hole. What if there are two par 3's with in the first 5 holes, par 3's will back a course up. This course i play, holes 11 and 12 are par 3's. You will see groups backed up on those holes, maybe 2-3 groups lined up waiting. These two par 3's are tough. The reason par 3 take long is because you must wait till they clear the green. So do you tear into these guys? Would ever ranger know this? You say you must create this boot rule, and say it as something absolute, yet you don't even know what goes into the totality of pace of play. What if the first group was really slow, lets say 45 minutes behind. Do you throw out ever subsequent group behind them, clearing the course, because now all the groups are 45 minutes behind. I mean your only checking the tee times and matching expected pace? Cause once you start not kicking people off, realizing its not there fault, you will start pissing off AmazingWhacker who might be in a group behind the lead group.
Ready golf would fix 90% of slow play. Besides playing bad golf, this is what causes most delay.