Originally Posted by iacas
My brother-in-law sets up open and hits draws. I'm more likely to hit draws when I set up slightly open as well - my body has an awareness for where the target is and when it's "to the right" I'll tend to swing OUTward a little more.
And the point about the ball flight laws is simply this: why would you set up with the clubface pointing LEFT of the target when you want to return it pointing RIGHT of the target? Never mind that it's confusing to WRITE that (and cop out by saying "but it's at address")…
I am not sure who was advocating setting up with the clubface LEFT/Closed to the target when you want to return it RIGHT/Open to target- at least with Leadbetter, the OP said SQUARE TO THE TARGET at address. I am guessing that there are a lot of stupid monkeys on tour who hit both draws and fades setting up with the club square to the target because this is what works for them. If you asked them if it felt like they were returning the club to impact slightly open for push draws many might say that is NOT how it "feels" to them even if that is what they are doing.
Just like your body swings outward when you know you are open, maybe some players have a tendency to square the club when they know they set up with it open and/or tend to square the club to the body when they swing (thus leaving it a bit right/open when they are set up right/closed).
Seems to me, one of the worst shots you can hit is the double cross- a push fade instead of a push draw seems way less desirable than a straight draw . I am sure I have the numbers wrong, but say you are trying to swing out 4° and start with the club 2° open to the target/closed to the path. If you let the club open 3° you have a push fade instead of your desired push draw. OTOH, if you start square and let it open 3° you still hit a push draw.
True, closing it 3° starting from square will be a bigger pull hook than starting from 2° right/open but both are likely better than a double cross. However, I used to hit a draw from an open stance, open club and think you are less likely to feel like you need to close the club when you start with it square than when you start with it open/right of target (even if that is where you want to return it).