Originally Posted by mvarley84
Pace of play is 100% the player's responsibility. The only problem with that, is you can have 17 responsible foursomes, and 1 slow group, and the whole course will play slow. You can preach til the cows come home, but some people will never change.
Yep. And McDivot's foursome is going to be the one holding everything up, because he's in denial that there is a problem.
Managing pace of play is 100% the responsibility of the golf course. There should be no excuses as to why a marshal is not out there telling people to hustle up or let a group play through. Even the cart bunny could also keep an eye out for back logs and ask people to play quicker. Each golfer's definition of "proper pace" is going to be different, and no one will ever be satisfied. It's not about setting a standard 4.5 hour 18 hole....it's about recognizing when you are holding up the group behind you, and allowing them to play through. Its about the golf course making sure that people who are causing back logs are letting people play through, and enforcing it. To define a proper pace of play is going to make some people feel rushed, and thus not enjoy their game, or make them play worse.
No, it isn't. The player must take ownership or no policy is going to work. He must understand that it's his actions which determine the pace or flow of the course, and he must be given the skills to manage his play so as not to be the problem (not golf skills, but pace of play skills). The course is responsible for setting the policy, educating the players, and then enforcing the policy. The player is responsible for taking ownership of the course policy and for taking to heart the skills which will help him play at an acceptable pace. If the player understands this, then enforcement by the course is unnecessary.
And being the slow group on a busy day, it's not an option to let other groups through. That takes time in itself, and there is always another group on the heels of the one you just let through. Are you going to sit there while group after group plays through? Just learn how to quit fiddling around when you should be playing and you may not be the fastest group out there, but you won't be the slowest one either. Be at your ball and ready to play when it's your turn, then clear the area promptly so that the group behind you can hit. If everyone just made a point of doing what they can to meet that goal, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
Hopefully McDivot will some day wake up to the fact that he isn't the only player on the golf course.