Originally Posted by iacas
FWIW, that's not exactly speedy if you were first out.
Do you disagree that if everyone played faster, eight- to ten-minute spacing in tee times wouldn't be a problem?
If four golfers begin hitting their shots on a typical par four at 9:00, by 9:08 the next group should be able to hit because the first group should have taken about 2 minutes to tee off, four minutes to drive to and find their golf balls, and two more minutes to hit.
Additionally, golfers are put out more frequently because golfers are slow. If rounds took less time golfers could be sent out later in the day.
Can courses do things, too? Yes. But the onus is on golfers themselves. Eight-minute spacing in tee times don't make people read their five-foot putt for double-bogey putt from both sides of the hole.
In a perfect world you are right. BUT, a 30 handicapper who tops his first shot 60 feet, then pushes his second shot right in the woods, then hits his 3rd shot in the bunker in the middle of the fairway @ 180 yards, then takes 3 to get out of the bunker, then hits his 7th shot in the bunker over the green, then hits a tiger quality shot 10 feet from the pin needs to look at the putt from all sides of the odds are he'll 3 jerk it. By now the course is off schedule by 15+++ min easy. Ooops for got, the Pro shop just sold him a new driver that would fix his swing. :-o
Holes that are 305 yars are rediculous. The big hitters have/will wait untill the foursome in front of them is finished before they will hit. Then the big hitter hits the biggest slice of his life in to the other fairway. Now he has to wait until the foursome coming down the other fairway hits before he can hit his second shot from another fairway. Yada Yada Yada we've all seen it before, let's add that time up for that hole.
Holes with bunkers in the middle of the faiway should be removed and filled in. Golf course designers intentionally (mwwahahahaha) put the bunkers @ 180 yards where 90% of the 10 to 30 handicap players will either end up in it, or swing out of their shoes and hit another slice in the woods. Who caused that slow down play problem??? Oh!!! how many courses have sand in the bunkers?
The Hooters girl in the beverage cart is another pet peive of mine. Alcohol on a golf course???? 9am beers & bloody mary's??? We might as well start serving beer at the Toll Booths on our local highways. Let's get em drunk to speed up play :-o Dahhhhhhhh :-)
Idiotic greens keepers who keep the rough up over 2" and run the greens at 12 on the stimp. You ever watch a 30 handicapper attempt to hit a 260 yard shot out of 3" of juicy rough with a pond 70 yards away?
Tree's in the middle of the fairways. Who's idea wha this???? The odds are the best shot the 30 handicapper will hit all day will hit that tree. Designers & management in some cases are idiots.
You ever watch a 15 to 30 handicapper putt on fast greens? Who's bright management idea was that? Why??? because the six single digit golfers at the club are on the board of directors?? 90% players hit the green and end up in the bunker over the green, hit a sand shot 20 feet from the pin then 3 putt. Add up all them 45 seconds!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lazy useless resident pro's who sit in the pro shop all day and chat with the assistant pro to run the cash register and count the revenue for the owner. This one could be a long discussion. :-o
The 84 year old player who's been the past president of the club six times in 62 years tee's off first every sunday morning?
IMO 90% of the slow play problems are caused by Management, Resident Pro's & Golf Course Designers. So, who's kidding who here. The campain by the USGA along with Arnie, Jack, Tiger & Anika are blaming the average golfer and I'm not happy about that. Face it, you're never going to get the average weekend golfer to run on a golf course.
So, stop laying the blame on the 30 handicapper for the problems management, pro's & course designers created.