Originally Posted by mvarley84
Originally Posted by saevel25
Its not insecurity, its what is right. Why should people be able to claim something that isn't true. To me any one who stands there and says there handicap is this, and yet they don't follow the rules of golf is a fraud. Its a blantant lie to claim something you know isn't what it actually is. If people are honest, 90% of people should say they have no handicap that they play for fun.
Yea they should, yet those who don't play the rules of golf can't have the results speak for themselves because there index is the results of what they do on the course, and its not legit. Depending on the course you can easily shave of 4-5 strokes by not following the rules. Dropping a ball were the ball went OB, not going back to hit a 2nd shot when you lost a ball, getting a better lie by improperly dropping a ball that went into a hazard. All common situations that can easily shave off strokes. For some of us who play golf, by the rules, those 4-5 strokes mean a lot. When your fighting the course to shoot a low round, every stroke means a lot.
Were not telling them not to play. Go play, have fun. Just don't claim something that your not. Be honest with your self and about the sport your play, its not to hard to actually tell the truth you know.
Completely agree with that. Anyone who is trying to claim a handicap should be following the rules (at least for the rounds they are counting towards the HC.) Also, anyone trying to say "I shot a (insert bullshit number here)" should have played by the rules.
Finally we found the same page. I couldn't agree more with both of you. I'm not a dick about how anyone plays or scores as long as they understand good etiquette, and they don't start bragging about a score which wasn't played under the rules. I've played with more guys than I can count who played golf to the beat of their own drummer, and it doesn't bother me in the least.
I had one guy who was silly enough to offer a wager on the back 9, and I told him straight out that I had 2 rules for wagering. One is that I don't play for money with strangers (I had a good friend in the army who'd been a pool hustler since he was 14 - After watching him at work, nobody is going to slip one past me), and two is that I don't play for money unless the Rules of Golf are in force, and I told him he missed on both counts.
Originally Posted by Golfingdad
Originally Posted by Fourputt
And by the way, no you didn't play basketball, and you didn't play hockey. You played games which vaguely resembled them, but that's as far as it goes. I played sandlot ball games too, and they varied depending on how many kids we could get together - might be workup, or chicken base, but neither was baseball. In any game, from golf to tiddly winks, it's only the rules which define the game. Throw out the rules and you may be playing something, but it isn't the game that those rules describe.
But only a select few people on this forum will bother to make that distinction. Nobody has ever bothered to try to explain to me that 3 on 3 basketball isn't really basketball until now. (Same for all of the other sports) However, there does not seem to be a shortage of people willing to take every opportunity to tell every person who doesn't play golf by all of the correct rules that they aren't playing golf. It's just plain silly. And that is my point. There is no reason for anybody to waste their breath or time being bothered by others playing golf by their own rules or having a vanity handicap, because it just doesn't matter.
Although it's colloquially called baseball or golf, that's only for the sake of convenience. Even you have to admit that regardless of what you called it, you weren't playing "basketball". Maybe you were playing "hoops", or just call it what it was, 1 on 1 or 2 on 2, or whatever.
When I was a kid and we got a ball game together, we'd say let's go play baseball, but we never kidded ourselves in to thinking that what we were doing remotely resembled what the Twins were doing. We played variations depending on how many guys we had. Sometimes we only had 4 or 5 guys, so we played 500 or Fly-up. We called it baseball, but we weren't even running bases or throwing pitches. One guy was just hitting fly balls to the others, and when one of the fielders qualified, then he got up to bat. The only resemblance to baseball was the bat, ball and gloves. We did what we did out of necessity.
By the same reasoning, there is Golf and there is "golf". One is played by the rules and is the real game. The other resembles Golf, and to the untutored eye may even appear to be Golf, but it is only "golf". The same necessity as I mentioned above doesn't exist for Golf, because anyone and everyone could play by the rules if they chose to.
Edited by Fourputt - 6/22/13 at 12:53am