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post #325 of 515
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Hating it is good in that it is motivating. It won't disappear overnight. Stay patient and keep working on it.

I have no intentions on giving up, it's probably the biggest thing that has held me back from being a better golf for all these years.

post #326 of 515
I think its hard because it is due (in large part) to things that come before. In order to fix it, you can't focus on the "flip", rather what came before that caused it.

It took me quite awhile to wrap my head around this. I was wondering why @mvmac was having me do the things he said. To me, they seemed unrelated. As I improved them though, the flip (or in my case I let the lag go early but then appeared to hold on) got better. I think you need to just focus on what you are getting from your instructor. Remember, there are no shortcuts.
post #327 of 515
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I think its hard because it is due (in large part) to things that come before. In order to fix it, you can't focus on the "flip", rather what came before that caused it.

It took me quite awhile to wrap my head around this. I was wondering why @mvmac was having me do the things he said. To me, they seemed unrelated. As I improved them though, the flip (or in my case I let the lag go early but then appeared to hold on) got better. I think you need to just focus on what you are getting from your instructor. Remember, there are no shortcuts.

The instructor is having me work on the flip ;-)

post #328 of 515
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Originally Posted by 14ledo81 View Post

I think its hard because it is due (in large part) to things that come before. In order to fix it, you can't focus on the "flip", rather what came before that caused it.


It took me quite awhile to wrap my head around this. I was wondering why @mvmac was having me do the things he said. To me, they seemed unrelated. As I improved them though, the flip (or in my case I let the lag go early but then appeared to hold on) got better. I think you need to just focus on what you are getting from your instructor. Remember, there are no shortcuts.
The instructor is having me work on the flip a2_wink.gif

Well that's good... :)

Like I said, it took me quite awhile to get that. I kept thinking I needed to try something else. I had enough faith and confidence in Mike though, so I stuck with the things he had me work on. "Magically" the swing looks better.
post #329 of 515
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Well that's good... :)

Like I said, it took me quite awhile to get that. I kept thinking I needed to try something else. I had enough faith and confidence in Mike though, so I stuck with the things he had me work on. "Magically" the swing looks better.

I've got to let go of the idea that suddenly it's going to "click" and the flip will just disappear. This is where I'm tested, I've had 2 changes that were very quick and easy for me to implement and now it's one that'll take time. When I do the drill then check my full swing I'll get 1 good-ish swing like I posted out of 10. I mean, that's progress for sure, but it's really hard to accept such SLOW progress rofl. But I will not give up! 

 

Never give up, never surrender! 

post #330 of 515
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I hate this flip, I don't know why it's so hard for me to fix it. Nothing else has been nearly as hard to do.

I don't know if this is good advice, but I really think the "flip" might be a mental block more than anything. Have you tried just to swing as hard and aggressively as possible? Just feel like you are pounding the club face into the ground, trying to bury it six inches like Conan on steroids? It seems to fly in the face of practicing slowly and simply, etc., but you have such a nice swing that breaks down from an athletic perspective when the flip takes over.

 

The ball being so far back in your stance seems to be an indication to me that you have it on your mind too much when you swing. My swing is pretty ugly, but when I hit one well, I do hit it long and the feeling I get with an iron is that I'm driving the club into the ground. I almost used to worry that I would bury the thing 3 inches deep into the ground and break my wrists at impact, but after 10,000+ swings it's still never happened.

post #331 of 515
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I don't know if this is good advice, but I really think the "flip" might be a mental block more than anything. Have you tried just to swing as hard and aggressively as possible? Just feel like you are pounding the club face into the ground, trying to bury it six inches like Conan on steroids? It seems to fly in the face of practicing slowly and simply, etc., but you have such a nice swing that breaks down from an athletic perspective when the flip takes over.

 

The ball being so far back in your stance seems to be an indication to me that you have it on your mind too much when you swing. My swing is pretty ugly, but when I hit one well, I do hit it long and the feeling I get with an iron is that I'm driving the club into the ground. I almost used to worry that I would bury the thing 3 inches deep into the ground and break my wrists at impact, but after 10,000+ swings it's still never happened.

Interesting idea, I have heard of the practice of swinging super hard several times as practice then taking a normal swing though. Sounds somewhat similar to what you are saying. I'm going to focus on my current drill for a couple weeks and if it doesn't really have any appreciable impact on the problem I'm sure they'll have another drill to try. I need to focus on moving the ball forward though for sure.

post #332 of 515
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Originally Posted by mmoan2 View Post
 

I don't know if this is good advice, but I really think the "flip" might be a mental block more than anything. Have you tried just to swing as hard and aggressively as possible? Just feel like you are pounding the club face into the ground, trying to bury it six inches like Conan on steroids? It seems to fly in the face of practicing slowly and simply, etc., but you have such a nice swing that breaks down from an athletic perspective when the flip takes over.

 

The ball being so far back in your stance seems to be an indication to me that you have it on your mind too much when you swing. My swing is pretty ugly, but when I hit one well, I do hit it long and the feeling I get with an iron is that I'm driving the club into the ground. I almost used to worry that I would bury the thing 3 inches deep into the ground and break my wrists at impact, but after 10,000+ swings it's still never happened.

 

I think this would be counter productive actually. You need to train the right hand not to "fire through" impact. The drill you are doing @Jeremie Boop is the best. Just keep at it.

post #333 of 515
@Jeremie Boop

I say this with love. Stop fishing for other ideas on here. It'll only distract you from what Evolvr is giving you and will make it take a lot longer to make the change.

Be a stupid monkey.



A stupid flippy monkey. b2_tongue.gif
post #334 of 515
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@Jeremie Boop

I say this with love. Stop fishing for other ideas on here. It'll only distract you from what Evolvr is giving you and will make it take a lot longer to make the change.

Be a stupid monkey.



A stupid flippy monkey. b2_tongue.gif

I understand what you are saying, not really looking for ideas so much as confirmation of whether what I was doing was working. I want to find a feel in the full swing that I can key on to go along with the drill I'm doing. It's possible that there is no feel and that it'll just happen.

post #335 of 515
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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones View Post

@Jeremie Boop


I say this with love. Stop fishing for other ideas on here. It'll only distract you from what Evolvr is giving you and will make it take a lot longer to make the change.


Be a stupid monkey.




A stupid flippy monkey. b2_tongue.gif
I understand what you are saying, not really looking for ideas so much as confirmation of whether what I was doing was working. I want to find a feel in the full swing that I can key on to go along with the drill I'm doing. It's possible that there is no feel and that it'll just happen.
I hear ya, and "peer review" can be very effective and helpful. Just cautioning you to make sure you don't get detoured by tips and suggestions the rest of us make. I've been guilty of making suggestions too, it's hard not to because we all want to help each other, but the reality is the Evolvr guys are thinking many steps ahead of the rest of us.
post #336 of 515
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I hear ya, and "peer review" can be very effective and helpful. Just cautioning you to make sure you don't get detoured by tips and suggestions the rest of us make. I've been guilty of making suggestions too, it's hard not to because we all want to help each other, but the reality is the Evolvr guys are thinking many steps ahead of the rest of us.

I completely agree don't listen to anything EJ says. He's a good example of when keeping it real goes wrong. :dance:

post #337 of 515
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Interesting idea, I have heard of the practice of swinging super hard several times as practice then taking a normal swing though. Sounds somewhat similar to what you are saying. I'm going to focus on my current drill for a couple weeks and if it doesn't really have any appreciable impact on the problem I'm sure they'll have another drill to try. I need to focus on moving the ball forward though for sure.
I would think swinging fast is the exact opposite of what you should be doing. Swinging fast is only going to bring all of your old "ingrained" movements into play. For you, it would mean a really fast flip (not to mention what other keys might go haywire when you swing out of your shoes).

What you should really be doing is swinging slowly. Swing really slow if you have to, to exaggerate the change. You use a camera, you can monitor your swing.

Swing as fast as you are able to see you are not flipping. If that means you hit a 50yd 7 iron about 10' in the air, so be it. As soon as you see yourself flip, back the throttle down.

The important thing is to know and confirm you are doing the motion correctly. Swing slow to change fast.
post #338 of 515
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Quick update, still working on this but looking better maybe?

Ball position check and check on progress of "kick the flip" First swing was a combination of the drill plus full swing, trying to stop the club chest high on the follow through with the club head below the hands. Second was obviously just a regular full swing.

post #339 of 515
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Quick screencap of the video uploaded to evolvr 5 days ago and tonight. I know I've still got a lot of drills and practice to go, but I think this is a good start. Progress is exciting for me, I don't think I've ever progressed this fast before. I give all the credit to Iacas and brian for helping me. Pushing me to record myself to find the right feels and focus on one thing at a time has helped more than I ever thought possible.

post #340 of 515
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Quick screencap of the video uploaded to evolvr 5 days ago and tonight. I know I've still got a lot of drills and practice to go, but I think this is a good start.

That is looking pretty good. I think you're turning the corner.
post #341 of 515
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That is looking pretty good. I think you're turning the corner.

Thanks man. Really slowing things down and using the video to constantly check what I'm doing and confirming what feel=real has made for a much quicker progression than when I just assumed what I felt was real. It's really made incorporating these so much changes easier.


Edited by Jeremie Boop - 8/5/14 at 9:26pm
post #342 of 515
Good progress!!! That has to be encouraging.
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