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Driver Fade/Slice

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

Everybody and they're brother hits a slice with their driver..

 

But my question is, why (with my natural slight draw with my irons and hybrids) is the driver the only club that slices? If my other clubs draw naturally, shouldn't I be battling a hook?

 

HELPPP!!!

post #2 of 16
Most reasons people slice the ball with their driver is that they are not squaring the club face at impact.

If you hit a draw with your irons and hybrids ( I do that same thing ) and if you want to cure it you could place your back right foot a little more forward in your stance. Good luck!
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by crperry View Post

Everybody and they're brother hits a slice with their driver..

 

But my question is, why (with my natural slight draw with my irons and hybrids) is the driver the only club that slices? If my other clubs draw naturally, shouldn't I be battling a hook?

 

HELPPP!!!

 

Check out the second video for the driver

http://thesandtrap.com/t/61376/5sk-video-thread/72#post_816439

post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post

Most reasons people slice the ball with their driver is that they are not squaring the club face at impact.

If you hit a draw with your irons and hybrids ( I do that same thing ) and if you want to cure it you could place your back right foot a little more forward in your stance. Good luck!

I dont so much mind the draw with the irons.. Its pretty controllable and gives me a little extra distance. I just don't get why I'm not getting squared with my driver if I am with all my other clubs 

post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by crperry View Post

I dont so much mind the draw with the irons.. Its pretty controllable and gives me a little extra distance. I just don't get why I'm not getting squared with my driver if I am with all my other clubs 

 

Ok to have the face aimed right of the target at impact.  Ball starts where the face is aimed and curves away from the path.  So I would say it's a path issue, not a face issue.  Most people that slice/fade have a face aimed left of the target.

post #6 of 16

Here's how I hit a draw with the driver consistently.  Slightly closed stance, just past square with my shoulders and hips all aligned to that slightly closed stance.  I play the ball ahead of center but still inside my left foot.  My hands hang low and the club face is slightly open at address.  I find that good rhythm also helps and taking the club back on the proper plane is needed.  Don't get too flat as that can cause Block fades and such.  But also don't loop the club in too much or you could hit a hook.  Envision taking your hands straight back and keep the club head outside your hands until you set it.  from there just commence your downswing. 

post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by KrazyTrain18 View Post

Here's how I hit a draw with the driver consistently.  Slightly closed stance, just past square with my shoulders and hips all aligned to that slightly closed stance.  I play the ball ahead of center but still inside my left foot.  My hands hang low and the club face is slightly open at address.  I find that good rhythm also helps and taking the club back on the proper plane is needed.  Don't get too flat as that can cause Block fades and such.  But also don't loop the club in too much or you could hit a hook.  Envision taking your hands straight back and keep the club head outside your hands until you set it.  from there just commence your downswing. 

Great advice! I'll give that a try ASAP, thanks!!

post #8 of 16

Also try and create lots of lag in your swing by keeping your back foot on the ground as long as possible.  Releasing to early will cause you to get ahead of the ball which will also produce a block or fade. 

post #9 of 16

You can also be slicing your drives because at impact your tightening your grip. 

 

Next time you go out try and focus on keeping a relaxed grip. To do this just hit some golf balls really softly and try and keep constant grip pressure.

 

With you drawing your irons its probably due to your set up being slightly closed. If you want to continue hitting a draw with those don't change a thing. When your setting up with your driver like that and do not have the right club face angle at impact you will push fade it. It will start way right and then fade pushing it even further to the right. 

 

To offset this aim for a small object or leaf a foot in front of the ball and draw train tracks in your mind toward your target and then set up square and relax your grip. You will see that you will begin hitting the ball starting straight and slightly fading to hitting the ball dead straight with practice.

 

hope this helps!

post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by chdduncan View Post

You can also be slicing your drives because at impact your tightening your grip. 

 

Next time you go out try and focus on keeping a relaxed grip. To do this just hit some golf balls really softly and try and keep constant grip pressure.

 

With you drawing your irons its probably due to your set up being slightly closed. If you want to continue hitting a draw with those don't change a thing. When your setting up with your driver like that and do not have the right club face angle at impact you will push fade it. It will start way right and then fade pushing it even further to the right. 

 

To offset this aim for a small object or leaf a foot in front of the ball and draw train tracks in your mind toward your target and then set up square and relax your grip. You will see that you will begin hitting the ball starting straight and slightly fading to hitting the ball dead straight with practice.

 

hope this helps!

The bolded part of this post helped me tremendously.  I went from a horrible (think football field wide) slice to either straight or even a slight draw if I do my part on the swing.  

post #11 of 16

Tightening the grip is the reason why I am still hitting huge banana slice with all my clubs later in the round. I'm still working on it...

post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by fRzzy View Post

Tightening the grip is the reason why I am still hitting huge banana slice with all my clubs later in the round. I'm still working on it...

 

Grip pressure isn't something you should give advice one, because i bet you can ask 1000 people how hard they are holding the club, and then have them grip a device that measures pressure, and the ranking, lets say 1-10, compared to the actual pressure will be hugely different. My point is, people have different nerve sensors and physical ability. Pro's who have been hitting golf shots all there lives have stronger hands. So when they say, "Hold it lightly", there lightly might be our hold it tight. Hands still use muscles, and when people exercise, heavier weights feel lighter as you gain strength. Would you say to someone, "Oh 30 lbs is light", when that person has never lifted weights before. No, you tell that person, start off at 10lbs.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post

Most reasons people slice the ball with their driver is that they are not squaring the club face at impact.

If you hit a draw with your irons and hybrids ( I do that same thing ) and if you want to cure it you could place your back right foot a little more forward in your stance. Good luck!

 

99% of the time a slice is caused by an over the top swing path, not squaring the clubface. A proper draw is hit with an open clubface, please go read the ball flight laws on this forum.

 

 

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Originally Posted by mvmac View Post

 

Ok to have the face aimed right of the target at impact.  Ball starts where the face is aimed and curves away from the path.  So I would say it's a path issue, not a face issue.  Most people that slice/fade have a face aimed left of the target.

 

Yep, pretty much right there. When your slicing, i would just assume its a path issue. Even a big push slice could be the person getting stuck behind them, and leaving the face way open and hitting a huge push slice, its rarer than the common pull slice, but it happens. This guy i play with hits more of a straight draw to a pull draw, but when he gets stuck, he hits this huge push slice. I mean this ball starts something like 15-20 degrees right of the target and bends to the right. I've seen him miss the fairway by 100 yards before.

post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by mvmac View Post

 

Check out the second video for the driver

http://thesandtrap.com/t/61376/5sk-video-thread/72#post_816439

Would you say the important part here is having the weight forward which allows you to keep the wrist straight at impact?  I've been having more success lately with my driver focusing on more of a stack and tilt swing (without thinking about the right foot position you showed in that video).  I don't feel like I generate as much power, but I'd rather be 250 in the fairway than 280 in the trees.  Always looking for more driver tips, if I could gain more confidence with that I'd feel a lot better about my game.

post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by Mr Smell Good View Post

Would you say the important part here is having the weight forward which allows you to keep the wrist straight at impact?  I've been having more success lately with my driver focusing on more of a stack and tilt swing (without thinking about the right foot position you showed in that video).  I don't feel like I generate as much power, but I'd rather be 250 in the fairway than 280 in the trees.  Always looking for more driver tips, if I could gain more confidence with that I'd feel a lot better about my game.

 

Yes, having the weight forward at IMPACT is very important for various reason, helping you achieve better impact alignments (flat left wrist) is one if them.  Be careful with trying to do a "S&T swing", trying to have the weight forward on the backswing can lead to issues with the head moving down and forward.  Which then can cause complications on the downswing.

 

Good thread to check out if you're interested

http://thesandtrap.com/t/64993/weight-forward-using-swingcatalyst-and-sam-balance-lab-to-explain-pressure-throughout-the-swing

post #15 of 16
I have this same issue, bad shot for irons is a hook, and a slice for driver. It's mainly when I forget to think about my 'swing thoughts'.

For the driver I have to think about not letting my wrists get too far ahead of the ball at impact, so I think "pause hand position at bottom of swing" to let the club head catch up. This ensures my club face is square. I don't have to actively think about that for irons, maybe cuz they're shorter and have less wind resistance? Also for some reason I don't think I bring my hands deep enough on the backswing specifically on the driver so I come slightly out to in when I normally battle too much in to out on my irons. So I have to think "deep take away". No idea why, maybe something to do with standing more upright with the driver??
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by mvmac View Post
 

 

Check out the second video for the driver

http://thesandtrap.com/t/61376/5sk-video-thread/72#post_816439

 

An older thread ... but these type of drills have really helped me ... 

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