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post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Blitz28179 View Post

You know from somebody that watches the PGA tour week in and week out I dont really agree with that poll.How can someone cheat with all the cameras everywhere?Plus you risk getting a bad reputation and possible ejection from the PGA tour.From what I seen all these tour guys seem to be honest.Ive never seen anybody cheating(I seen bill hass mark his ball on the fringe and was like "thats a penalty stroke" but forgot they are playing lift and place)When they do make a mistake they are always caught anyway and added punishment(see tiger woods augusta this yr with turning in a wrong scorecard).

 

Sounds more like we have some sore losers on the PGA tour(see sergio garcia)

One thing that you need to keep in mind is that there are cameras everywhere like you said, but they are not always focused in on every single player competing in an event. There's always a marquee group and every single shot is not necessarily always under scrutiny or a magnifying glass. #300 Joe Schmo may be able to ground his club in a bunker without anyone seeing, or nudge his marker forward before ball placement, or something else without the world jumping on him because it's not broadcast on your TV. Instead, you're repeatedly watching the top 25 players in the world with a misc. outsider paired in from time to time.

post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by Golfingdad View Post

 

Shorty's point, though, is that it is an anonymous poll.  What incentive would any tour player have to lie in an anonymous poll?  It's the whole point about it being anonymous.  If a PGA tour player is asked on the record if he's witnessed cheating, then, sure, you can take any answer with a grain of salt because they probably don't want to be involved in any controversy.

 

But there really is no reason not to take the results of an anonymous poll at face value.

In today's world, there is usually an electronic way to track things, so anonymous may not really be anonymous...also there may be some Tour players who think certain answers make the tour look bad even if they are anonymous.

post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by Shorty View Post

 

When I have called them out on this it becomes very uncomfortable for the rest of the round.

 

I just don't see that "uncomfortable" thing happening a1_smile.gif)

post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by MEfree View Post

In today's world, there is usually an electronic way to track things, so anonymous may not really be anonymous...also there may be some Tour players who think certain answers make the tour look bad even if they are anonymous.

Good point, though there may be legal ramifications to revealing the identities of said poll takers.

 

Your second point illustrates one of the flaws of polling. But if you follow that logic, then the conclusion is that more than 38% of people have witnessed cheating on tour, which may indicate that cheating is more common than the poll shows.

post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Golfingdad View Post

Shorty's point, though, is that it is an anonymous poll.  What incentive would any tour player have to lie in an anonymous poll?  It's the whole point about it being anonymous.  If a PGA tour player is asked on the record if he's witnessed cheating, then, sure, you can take any answer with a grain of salt because they probably don't want to be involved in any controversy.

But there really is no reason not to take the results of an anonymous poll at face value.

That's a pretty common occurrence with polling. People know the right answer, but admitting it to yourself isn't always trivial.
post #24 of 27

Correct, talking generically off the record without naming names gives you a pretty good idea that it is happening. I am sure it is subtle and not often occurring, but it happens. 

post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by billchao View Post

 

Your second point illustrates one of the flaws of polling. But if you follow that logic, then the conclusion is that more than 38% of people have witnessed cheating on tour, which may indicate that cheating is more common than the poll shows.

I think it could be more common than what the poll indicates.  Why not when you consider-

 

1.  The majority of golfers cheat.

2.  The majority of professional athletes don't call penalties on themselves and will bend rules as far as the refs allow.

3.  Many of today's golfers grew up playing these other sports.

4.  The poll only asked if they have EVER seen another player cheat, not if the commonly saw other players cheat.

post #26 of 27

This is great information.  Some of the answers don't make any sense to me ("most young players coming on tour are not overcoached...that's why they're on tour"...yeah, I'm sure that's the reason), and others reveal ultimate ignorance and just how many pieces of sh** exist on Tour proportionate to us everyday working folk (about the same), but the only one that has me intrigued is the one about the cheater that everybody knows, and the "same two guys" who apparently cheat all the time.

 

I'd pay a small amount of money to know who those two guys are, and how they're cheating.  Makes me wonder if it's something that's in a very grey area (like testing the sand in the bunker with your feet) that I already do, or something more duplicitous?

post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

This is great information.  Some of the answers don't make any sense to me ("most young players coming on tour are not overcoached...that's why they're on tour"...yeah, I'm sure that's the reason), and others reveal ultimate ignorance and just how many pieces of sh** exist on Tour proportionate to us everyday working folk (about the same), but the only one that has me intrigued is the one about the cheater that everybody knows, and the "same two guys" who apparently cheat all the time.

 

I'd pay a small amount of money to know who those two guys are, and how they're cheating.  Makes me wonder if it's something that's in a very grey area (like testing the sand in the bunker with your feet) that I already do, or something more duplicitous?

If 38 % are talking about tour players breaking that stupid rule("Loose impedeiment"?) then this poll actually sounds right.

 

I would imagine that over half of them do this sometime and have no idea they did it but other players do.Thats what makes it a stupid rule and hopes to see it dropped or changed in the future.

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