Okay- Lets try and figure this out from the perspective of the real world. IF, and I do mean IF, a faster game would get more people interested in the game, then it would stand to reason that the speed of play would eventually drop due to volume. There are only so many spots available on a course at any one time. Say, 2.5 groups per hole (3 groups on 5's, 1 on 3's to average things out for simplicity). So that's 180 people on the course at any one time. Taking into account the mixed abilities, walkers, playing from wrong tees, etc... There is NO CHANCE of getting around in a maximum of 4 hours at an average course on an average weekend when most people CAN play. Some courses will try and squeeze as much revenue out of the course and tighten up on tee times of 8 minutes and tell folks: "The pace of play is blah, blah...". Not gonna happen. Others try to do what they can to make it a pleasant experience and go for 10 minutes. Better. Then there might be some higher end public (I am ONLY considering PUBLIC courses for this discussion) that open out to 12, but charge a premium due to their location, conditions, greed, whatever. But on ANY of these courses all it takes is ONE group to stumble or be so ignorant of their own actions that they back up the place for the rest of the day. How many of us have been sitting in traffic forever only to come to a spot and it magically opens up and it looks like nothing happened? Well, that accident or whatever was cleared up ages ago, it just took that long to reset the pattern. Same happens on a course- one group, one hole- maybe 2 or 3 guys take their 5 minutes to look for a ball. that backs up the group behind, and then the group after, etc... Then they pick up the pace and catch up. But the damage is done for awhile until things sort themselves out. But you know it's never just ONE group. Another has an issue with a water hole, and yet another decides that this hole is worth double or nothing (50 CENTS!!!) and their putting becomes a clinic in reading 12 inch putts for a double or triple. As I have mentioned before in several posts. There is a distinct difference between PACE of play and SPEED of play. Sure you can book the first time and get in your 18 holes in less than 3 hours. Fine, no problems. With no hitches or backups everyone could do that all day long. But this is the real world and a 4.5 or 5 hour round is 'generally' the rule for an average busy muni or public course. My concern isn't with the SPEED of play, it is with the PACE of play. I DON'T wear a watch when I play, but others I play with do. THEY always seem to complain about "oh, jeez, it's taking such and such to play this many". "Really?" I hadn't noticed it because we were keeping PACE with everyone. Nobody excessively waiting on us, and we aren't waiting excessively for anyone in front. The line was moving along at a steady pace. It might have taken 5 hours, but didn't seem like it. Other times, because of a few waits on various holes, we have gone around in 4 hrs, but it SEEMED longer just because of those few holes. Leave the watches home and just try and keep up. There isn't anything (really) you can do about it once you are out there. Other than cutting a round short if things are intolerable, which I admit, I have done only twice. And one of those was due to irresponsible management and Rangers who were more concerned with chatting up the cart girl than escorting off the twosome who had no business being on a miniature golf course, let alone playing one up from the tips of a 7000 yd course.