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post #109 of 212
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Originally Posted by Slice of Life View Post

I wouldn't expect someone who acts like a 4 year old to have any kind of reading comprehension skills. Where did I say anything about beating you up? You're the one talking about throwing fists and calling the police...I said I'd put you in your place. Telling you to quit acting like an a-hole and then me and my group teeing off anyway, is putting you in your (rightful) place. 

The only internet tough guy here, is you.

What exactly makes me acting like a 4 year old. And even if I was what would differentiate that from acting like a 3 or a 5 year old. And also where did I say anything about me "throwing fists" or calling the cops. I will give you a hint to save you time, I didn't. It makes your reading comprehension comment ironic as hell.

And like I said to the other person, while I am teeing off the back in front of your group you may grumble under your breath to your buddies but I will still be in front of you.

Almost everybody on the thread for all these pages are acting like getting a snack, drink or lunch at the turn is not a common occurrence. Not sitting down but going into the clubhouse and getting food. If that's really what y'all think then you either don't golf very much or you are oblivious to what is going on around you. I bet y'all would flip out if you ever made the turn at 1150 in NC on a Sunday lol. They don't serve beer until noon here.
Edited by whatwoodtigerdo - 6/16/14 at 9:01pm
post #110 of 212
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Originally Posted by whatwoodtigerdo View Post
 

I play twice a weekend morning rounds with a foursome and we almost always stop to get hot dogs and drinks. Sure, sometimes someone wants a breakfast sandwich or something and it takes a little longer but still we never had an issue. Sit down lunch is a little much to expect though. If it takes us 5 to 7 minutes at the turn and we can't get back in our spot then maybe the course shouldn't pack them in so tight and I am sure at that point pace has already been a problem. And I chuckled at the thought of a starter keeping me from making the turn. How are you going to stop me, stand in front of me while I tee off?  

Actually if you were out of hand, and out of line, the first thing I would do is reach in and take the key out of your cart. Then I would escort you to the parking lot.

post #111 of 212
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Originally Posted by MS256 View Post

Actually if you were out of hand, and out of line, the first thing I would do is reach in and take the key out of your cart. Then I would escort you to the parking lot.

For taking 15 minutes at the turn? That would be hilarious. Good idea but like I said I would be teeing off so you wouldn't have time. I have never asked permission to make the turn and don't see it happening anytime soon.

Also most of y'all would run a business into the ground. Say you happened to be mad I took 15 minutes getting food at the turn and you somehow managed to tell me I couldn't make the turn and I left. So now you have a foursome reversing charges and obviously not coming back but it doesn't stop there. I talk to a good 30 to 40 golfers easily on a consistent basis that I can tell about your courses overbearing/power drunk marshalls. So multiply that by a foursome and say maybe 100 golfers total there. Then of course there's all the internet review sites. I am sure your boss would love to see your name plastered all over the internet with someone experiencing what you say you would do everywhere his course is mentioned. I am sure that would be great for business. Of course you might be able to drum up business with the new rates after the price drop. I's that simple. After that I would never think about your golf course again and my life wouldn't change one bit.
post #112 of 212
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Originally Posted by whatwoodtigerdo View Post
 
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Originally Posted by MS256 View Post

Actually if you were out of hand, and out of line, the first thing I would do is reach in and take the key out of your cart. Then I would escort you to the parking lot.

For taking 15 minutes at the turn? That would be hilarious. Good idea but like I said I would be teeing off so you wouldn't have time. I have never asked permission to make the turn and don't see it happening anytime soon.

Also most of y'all would run a business into the ground. Say you happened to be mad I took 15 minutes getting food at the turn and you somehow managed to tell me I couldn't make the turn and I left. So now you have a foursome reversing charges and obviously not coming back but it doesn't stop there. I talk to a good 30 to 40 golfers easily on a consistent basis that I can tell about your courses overbearing/power drunk marshalls. So multiply that by a foursome and say maybe 100 golfers total there. Then of course there's all the internet review sites. I am sure your boss would love to see your name plastered all over the internet with someone experiencing what you say you would do everywhere his course is mentioned. I am sure that would be great for business. Of course you might be able to drum up business with the new rates after the price drop. I's that simple. After that I would never think about your golf course again and my life wouldn't change one bit.

 

Where did you get this sense of entitlement?  Why do you think that you are better than anyone else on the course, including those who work there to provide that service for ALL of the customers.  You really are full of yourself, aren't you?  I'm just thankful that I never had to deal with anyone like you during my 5 years working as a starter.  It was easier to deal with a belligerent drunk than it would be with the likes of you.

post #113 of 212
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Originally Posted by Fourputt View Post

Where did you get this sense of entitlement?  Why do you think that you are better than anyone else on the course, including those who work there to provide that service for ALL of the customers.  You really are full of yourself, aren't you?

Nope but like I said before I am not going to be pushed around by someone with a false sense of power. Especially when I am paying $50 to $70 and sometimes more to hit a golf ball off some grass someone owns. My foursomes POP is usually in the 4 hour range on weekends if we aren't getting held up and that's with stopping. I am very conscientious of not holding people up. But the fact you said if I were to take 15 minutes at the turn you would stop me and tell me to get in line where there's an opening did and still does make me laugh. Where else is "customer service" like that? And don't use your same analogy of cutting in line after leaving. Because if you were a store your scenario would be like me leaving line and you telling me I can't get to the back of the line I have to wait until a line is completely clear to get into it.
post #114 of 212
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Originally Posted by Fourputt View Post

Where did you get this sense of entitlement?  Why do you think that you are better than anyone else on the course, including those who work there to provide that service for ALL of the customers.  You really are full of yourself, aren't you?  I'm just thankful that I never had to deal with anyone like you during my 5 years working as a starter.  It was easier to deal with a belligerent drunk than it would be with the likes of you.
At most of the courses here, the starter would actually be protecting said individual from getting the crap beat out of them compliments of the groups that he tried to cut back in front of.
post #115 of 212
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Originally Posted by whatwoodtigerdo View Post

I am very conscientious of not holding people up. But the fact you said if I were to take 15 minutes at the turn you would stop me and tell me to get in line where there's an opening did and still does make me laugh.

 

The bold sentence contradicts the following sentence.

 

In 15 minutes, two groups could have easily played through you.

post #116 of 212
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Originally Posted by whatwoodtigerdo View Post


For taking 15 minutes at the turn? That would be hilarious. Good idea but like I said I would be teeing off so you wouldn't have time. I have never asked permission to make the turn and don't see it happening anytime soon.

Also most of y'all would run a business into the ground. Say you happened to be mad I took 15 minutes getting food at the turn and you somehow managed to tell me I couldn't make the turn and I left. So now you have a foursome reversing charges and obviously not coming back but it doesn't stop there. I talk to a good 30 to 40 golfers easily on a consistent basis that I can tell about your courses overbearing/power drunk marshalls. So multiply that by a foursome and say maybe 100 golfers total there. Then of course there's all the internet review sites. I am sure your boss would love to see your name plastered all over the internet with someone experiencing what you say you would do everywhere his course is mentioned. I am sure that would be great for business. Of course you might be able to drum up business with the new rates after the price drop. I's that simple. After that I would never think about your golf course again and my life wouldn't change one bit.


No. Not for taking 15 minutes at the turn. For taking the wrong cart and not following directions.

 

I'm just telling you our standard procedure for people that don't follow the course rules.

 

You could take it up with the owner and that would get you exactly nowhere (especially since he's the one that makes the rules) and every golfer on the course would be more than willing to help out with your removal if it came to that.

 

I don't think you would make a big scene out of it (nobody ever has) and it wouldn't take any more than taking your key and asking you to leave.

 

I've only had to ask one group to leave, because they were fighting on the green, but the owner has had to remove quite a few over the years. Too many of us on the course that would back him up for anybody to give any real problems about it.

post #117 of 212
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Originally Posted by whatwoodtigerdo View Post


For taking 15 minutes at the turn? That would be hilarious. Good idea but like I said I would be teeing off so you wouldn't have time. I have never asked permission to make the turn and don't see it happening anytime soon.

Also most of y'all would run a business into the ground. Say you happened to be mad I took 15 minutes getting food at the turn and you somehow managed to tell me I couldn't make the turn and I left. So now you have a foursome reversing charges and obviously not coming back but it doesn't stop there. I talk to a good 30 to 40 golfers easily on a consistent basis that I can tell about your courses overbearing/power drunk marshalls. So multiply that by a foursome and say maybe 100 golfers total there. Then of course there's all the internet review sites. I am sure your boss would love to see your name plastered all over the internet with someone experiencing what you say you would do everywhere his course is mentioned. I am sure that would be great for business. Of course you might be able to drum up business with the new rates after the price drop. I's that simple. After that I would never think about your golf course again and my life wouldn't change one bit.

 

If I were one of the 30 or 40 of your closest golfing friends, your story would make me want to play that course.  Its rare that I find a course that enforces policies against slowing everyone up.

post #118 of 212
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post

The bold sentence contradicts the following sentence.

In 15 minutes, two groups could have easily played through you.

Yup.....

Why in the world someone would think that it's ok to take a 15 minute break between any 2 holes, is beyond me. Nothing but selfishness.
post #119 of 212
Just in the off chance you, or anyone reading this, is actually considering doing this:
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Originally Posted by whatwoodtigerdo View Post

So now you have a foursome reversing charges and obviously not coming back

When you (or your parents) pay for the round, you're agreeing to abide by various course policies -- that's why a marshal can move a slow group; that's why they can dictate that you play the holes in order, or keep the carts on the paths on various holes, or start at a particular time, or a number of other things that reasonable people recognize as part of the proper authority of course employees. If you stop playing and want to just jump back in, they can remove you from the course without refund (or, if you aren't being a pain about it, can fit you in when and if there's a break in the grouping).

You would, of course, be welcome to take future business elsewhere. But asking the bank/CC company/etc to reverse the charges -- as any adult with a credit card knows -- doesn't mean "hey bank, I changed my mind, get me a refund!" The bank doesn't just take the money back from the course owner's account; the course owner can explain what happened and contest it. It would be a very simple matter to show that you signed a CC slip for the round, used a cart, and were present playing golf. The reversal wouldn't stick -- you very clearly made the purchase shown, and chose to not honor your side of the agreement.

In fact, if the bank wanted to make a bigger issue of it, your request for a reversal could be shown to be fraudulent in the above case. I doubt they'd pursue this for such a small matter, but if you made a habit of this, they might.

Either way, you aren't getting the money back.
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Originally Posted by whatwoodtigerdo View Post

but it doesn't stop there. I talk to a good 30 to 40 golfers easily on a consistent basis that I can tell about your courses overbearing/power drunk marshalls.

This sounds like good advertising to me. I wonder how many of these golfers know you as "that guy" and would take this as a positive advertisement for the course in question.

Lastly, this nonsense claim of the marshal (or starter, or whoever) "power tripping"/ being "power drunk"/ etc has to stop. Claiming that someone enforces a good rule in order to showcase authority is, at best, an immature hissy fit. Everyone who has ever had any authority has heard it, and almost always hears it from someone clearly in the wrong. I hear it from a large fraction of the students who fail any class I teach ("oh, come on, give me a C. It's nothing to you. You're just power tripping. Enjoy your authority, loser.") and from those who get reported to academic honesty boards for plagiarism ("why do you care? You're drunk with the little power you have."). Claiming that the starter asked you to move carts as a power trip, or that the ranger would be wrong to not let you back on the course after you left, is the golf version of this.

And while you claim earlier that you're "not a child in school," you're certainly throwing a fit like one.
post #120 of 212
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Originally Posted by newtogolf View Post
 

You can get a hot dog and drink, walk back to your carts and tee off on 10 and eat your hot dog while you ride or wait for your buddies to hit.  You can't sit at a table and have a leisurely lunch and expect the course to fit you in at the expense of others.

 

It really just comes down to common courtesy for your fellow golfers.  To maintain proper flow on the course everyone has to do their part.  When you take a 15 minute to 1/2 lunch it creates a 1 - 3 hole gap (depending on the course), when you jump back in it creates a bottleneck.  Imagine if everyone did what you did, the back 9 would take 4 hours alone to get though because of the backup.

I just don't get it, do I?

 

What's the problem of ordering a hotdog from the golf course hot dog shack? It's outside, next to the 10th tee at my local course.

 

Not everybody orders the hotdogs but I just don't see the big issue here. It sounds like ya'll make mountain of a molehill.

 

At my local course, we asked our fourball members, "do we want to eat snack after 9th" all said yes. Then we eat the snacks and relax for a minute or so.

 

we saw the group behind us, sneack past us, and teeoff. Then we went after them into the slot so to speak.

 

If everybody is being a "turbo-speed-golfer" why don't you all from both two groups, teeoff at the same time? That way, assuming two fourballs are about to go in to the 10th tee after snack, all players teeoff and the longest hitters start playing forward to the green. Then the shorter hitters hit forwards etc... Just remember to use unique balls for each other in this example, otherwise hilarity will ensue!!!

 

-We played the fourball in 4 hrs 20 min.

 

-time includes searches for balls, as by the rules

-course was about medium difficulty

-time includes the snack break (probably 10min, from putting at 9th, to the ending of snack and teeing-off at 10th)

-course was actually a very long walk, overall. The holes were quite a bit seperated from each other, therefore there was more walking between teebox and green.

-yardage was 6350 for the more experienced players in our fourball. As a beginner golfer I played only 5500 yard.

-course was hilly terrain, not exactly flat, it's maintained in a wintertime skiing resort property.

-course was a longer walk primarily because it was designed with  two courses intermixed between each other, at my local golf club. So, there are two courses at the property running through each other.

post #121 of 212
Yeah, right, because all sports allow a stop for a hotdog break while the other players carry on don't they?
post #122 of 212
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Originally Posted by late347 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by newtogolf View Post
 

You can get a hot dog and drink, walk back to your carts and tee off on 10 and eat your hot dog while you ride or wait for your buddies to hit.  You can't sit at a table and have a leisurely lunch and expect the course to fit you in at the expense of others.

 

It really just comes down to common courtesy for your fellow golfers.  To maintain proper flow on the course everyone has to do their part.  When you take a 15 minute to 1/2 lunch it creates a 1 - 3 hole gap (depending on the course), when you jump back in it creates a bottleneck.  Imagine if everyone did what you did, the back 9 would take 4 hours alone to get though because of the backup.

I just don't get it, do I?

 

What's the problem of ordering a hotdog from the golf course hot dog shack? It's outside, next to the 10th tee at my local course.

 

Not everybody orders the hotdogs but I just don't see the big issue here. It sounds like ya'll make mountain of a molehill.

 

At my local course, we asked our fourball members, "do we want to eat snack after 9th" all said yes. Then we eat the snacks and relax for a minute or so.

 

we saw the group behind us, sneack past us, and teeoff. Then we went after them into the slot so to speak.

 

If everybody is being a "turbo-speed-golfer" why don't you all from both two groups, teeoff at the same time? That way, assuming two fourballs are about to go in to the 10th tee after snack, all players teeoff and the longest hitters start playing forward to the green. Then the shorter hitters hit forwards etc... Just remember to use unique balls for each other in this example, otherwise hilarity will ensue!!!

 

-We played the fourball in 4 hrs 20 min.

 

-time includes searches for balls, as by the rules

-course was about medium difficulty

-time includes the snack break (probably 10min, from putting at 9th, to the ending of snack and teeing-off at 10th)

-course was actually a very long walk, overall. The holes were quite a bit seperated from each other, therefore there was more walking between teebox and green.

-yardage was 6350 for the more experienced players in our fourball. As a beginner golfer I played only 5500 yard.

-course was hilly terrain, not exactly flat, it's maintained in a wintertime skiing resort property.

-course was a longer walk primarily because it was designed with  two courses intermixed between each other, at my local golf club. So, there are two courses at the property running through each other.

 

No you don't get it.  He is saying that he doesn't care who he imposes his views on, or who gets held up by him when he stops at the turn.  He has said straight out that it doesn't matter if one or two groups come up behind or if the course is packed behind him, he will take as much time as HE feels that HE needs, then go to the tee when HE is ready and HE will hit when HE feels like it and flip them the bird as he does so.  He will ignore course policy, player flow and density, and any concerns by the staff.  He doesn't give a crap about anyone but himself.

 

Nobody is saying that you can't stop to grab a dog, it's his attitude that people have a problem with.  Busy public courses have policies in place to handle flow while still allowing players to grab something to eat at the turn.  Different courses handle it in different ways, but the key to minimize the delay while doing so.  Some courses don't have any hot food at all, others have preheated hot dogs, and some have phones at the 8th or 9th tee to call ahead.  All are designed to allow the players to grab and go.  Despite all  of that, sometimes it just doesn't work out.  That doesn't mean that the player can delay as long as he wants.  If something isn't available, then maybe you suck it up and wait until you finish.  

 

If having a snack is that important to you then bring a couple of Power Bars with you for a food emergency.  You don't make the rest of the course cater to you just because you think you're special.  The other golfers paid the same fees you did and the odds are good that they paid for golf, not for waiting on you to eat your lunch.

post #123 of 212
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Originally Posted by late347 View Post
 

I just don't get it, do I?

 

What's the problem of ordering a hotdog from the golf course hot dog shack? It's outside, next to the 10th tee at my local course.

 

Not everybody orders the hotdogs but I just don't see the big issue here. It sounds like ya'll make mountain of a molehill.

 

At my local course, we asked our fourball members, "do we want to eat snack after 9th" all said yes. Then we eat the snacks and relax for a minute or so.

 

we saw the group behind us, sneack past us, and teeoff. Then we went after them into the slot so to speak.

 

If everybody is being a "turbo-speed-golfer" why don't you all from both two groups, teeoff at the same time? That way, assuming two fourballs are about to go in to the 10th tee after snack, all players teeoff and the longest hitters start playing forward to the green. Then the shorter hitters hit forwards etc... Just remember to use unique balls for each other in this example, otherwise hilarity will ensue!!!

 

-We played the fourball in 4 hrs 20 min.

 

-time includes searches for balls, as by the rules

-course was about medium difficulty

-time includes the snack break (probably 10min, from putting at 9th, to the ending of snack and teeing-off at 10th)

-course was actually a very long walk, overall. The holes were quite a bit seperated from each other, therefore there was more walking between teebox and green.

-yardage was 6350 for the more experienced players in our fourball. As a beginner golfer I played only 5500 yard.

-course was hilly terrain, not exactly flat, it's maintained in a wintertime skiing resort property.

-course was a longer walk primarily because it was designed with  two courses intermixed between each other, at my local golf club. So, there are two courses at the property running through each other.

 

Nope, you don't.  There was no "slot".  You took the spot that the group behind that group had occupied, and subsequently slowed down the entire course behind you.

 

There's nothing wrong with grabbing a dog at the turn.  Hell, take a nap if you want to.   Just as long as you maintain your position directly behind the group in front of you. 

post #124 of 212
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post
 

There's nothing wrong with grabbing a dog at the turn.  Hell, take a nap if you want to.   Just as long as you maintain your position directly behind the group in front of you. 

 

Or, if you can grab your hot dog in two minutes or so, there's no problem with that either.

 

10+ minutes is when it becomes a problem, because the tee time spacing is less than that, and the group behind you is closer to passing you than that.

post #125 of 212

Well, I had a great example of the perfect mid-round lunch. A massive thunderstorm rolled in just as we got to the turn yesterday. It gushed hard for half-an-hour. Everyone waited it out in the clubhouse and were able to get out and finish after about 45 minutes. Funny that all we had was the usual hot dog and beer.

post #126 of 212

I still can't believe the same people are stuck on this "issue". This whole "lunch at the turn" thing comes down to the most simple and basic fibers of common courtesy/sense that should be instilled in people at birth. Hell, most people can learn this generic form of blatant common sense through simply living.

You should not inconvenience others while displaying behavior that would come off as conceited or entitled.

I don't get how it is that hard to miss. If the wait is too long, you're shit out of luck and you should not be waiting more than 10 minutes for a hot dog and a drink, or whatever you went inside for. If you're still at the turn when the group behind you finishes up on 9, or 18, then you have spent too long at the turn - period. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

@whatwoodtigerdo, nobody is being an elitist here. We're applying basic common sense to a situation that should take less time than a blink to assess and decipher in your brain subconsciously. There's this "thing" that people have inside of them that can quickly make us observant and considerate to others and say "Hey, I'm probably going to mess things up for people behind me if I sit here too long. Maybe I should speed it up a little bit". That's the only point that I was trying to make. However, your attitude of calling people "tough guy" for no reason is rubbing me the wrong way. You're jumping to who is going to say what to who, who is going to beat who up, saying other groups will "sit in their carts and not say anything" when you take your place in front of them.

To be blunt, people like you are the issue on courses that have problems with their pace of play and average finish times. For you, it may be a relaxing and leisure time experience where you have unlimited time or 6 hours to dedicate towards your round. Most of us who play this game and take it seriously (while still having a blast doing so) prefer to play in a reasonable amount of time and there are some simple rules that need to be adhered to in order to effectively ensure that pace of play is not a problem. I don't think it takes much effort or thought to be a little more considerate to other people both on and off of the course. If everyone were just a bit more considerate of others, the USGA wouldn't need to start "Pace of Play" campaigns.

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