Originally Posted by iacas
The bold sentence contradicts the following sentence.
In 15 minutes, two groups could have easily played through you.
Not really. Maybe if you think about it under the assumption that most groups are not going to stop. But I would bet my money on the fact that more people stop at the turn than don't contrary to what people are trying to say here to try to validate their argument. Also it''s not a question of playing through. If a group comes behind me and decides not to stop and I am not there they should feel free to go through. But my spot then becomes the group I get in front of when I return to the box.
Originally Posted by dsc123
If I were one of the 30 or 40 of your closest golfing friends, your story would make me want
to play that course. Its rare that I find a course that enforces policies against slowing everyone up.
Well good for you but most players I know don't enjoy being pushed around by a business where they spend their money.
Originally Posted by Shindig
Just in the off chance you, or anyone reading this, is actually considering doing this:
When you (or your parents) pay for the round, you're agreeing to abide by various course policies -- that's why a marshal can move a slow group; that's why they can dictate that you play the holes in order, or keep the carts on the paths on various holes, or start at a particular time, or a number of other things that reasonable people recognize as part of the proper authority of course employees. If you stop playing and want to just jump back in, they can remove you from the course without refund (or, if you aren't being a pain about it, can fit you in when and if there's a break in the grouping).
You would, of course, be welcome to take future business elsewhere. But asking the bank/CC company/etc to reverse the charges -- as any adult with a credit card knows -- doesn't mean "hey bank, I changed my mind, get me a refund!" The bank doesn't just take the money back from the course owner's account; the course owner can explain what happened and contest it. It would be a very simple matter to show that you signed a CC slip for the round, used a cart, and were present playing golf. The reversal wouldn't stick -- you very clearly made the purchase shown, and chose to not honor your side of the agreement.
In fact, if the bank wanted to make a bigger issue of it, your request for a reversal could be shown to be fraudulent in the above case. I doubt they'd pursue this for such a small matter, but if you made a habit of this, they might.
Either way, you aren't getting the money back.
This sounds like good advertising to me. I wonder how many of these golfers know you as "that guy" and would take this as a positive advertisement for the course in question.
Lastly, this nonsense claim of the marshal (or starter, or whoever) "power tripping"/ being "power drunk"/ etc has to stop. Claiming that someone enforces a good rule in order to showcase authority is, at best, an immature hissy fit. Everyone who has ever had any authority has heard it, and almost always hears it from someone clearly in the wrong. I hear it from a large fraction of the students who fail any class I teach ("oh, come on, give me a C. It's nothing to you. You're just power tripping. Enjoy your authority, loser.") and from those who get reported to academic honesty boards for plagiarism ("why do you care? You're drunk with the little power you have."). Claiming that the starter asked you to move carts as a power trip, or that the ranger would be wrong to not let you back on the course after you left, is the golf version of this.
And while you claim earlier that you're "not a child in school," you're certainly throwing a fit like one.
The course has to uphold their bargain of the deal. So unless your receipt you sign says that the course has the right to halt your play at anytime for whatever reason they feel like it would be pretty easy to get my money back. And even if it says something in that manner I am pretty sure I would have no issues at all getting it back from my credit card company. And the fact you try to compare the situation it to fraud is laughable at best.
How am I throwing a fit like a child? I am explaining my position on here. So many weak attempts here to put me down simply because I don't agree with the majority of the posters on this thread. It's kind of sad.
Originally Posted by Fourputt
No you don't get it. He is saying that he doesn't care who he imposes his views on, or who gets held up by him when he stops at the turn. He has said straight out that it doesn't matter if one or two groups come up behind or if the course is packed behind him, he will take as much time as HE feels that HE needs, then go to the tee when HE is ready and HE will hit when HE feels like it and flip them the bird as he does so. He will ignore course policy, player flow and density, and any concerns by the staff. He doesn't give a crap about anyone but himself.
Nobody is saying that you can't stop to grab a dog, it's his attitude that people have a problem with. Busy public courses have policies in place to handle flow while still allowing players to grab something to eat at the turn. Different courses handle it in different ways, but the key to minimize the delay while doing so. Some courses don't have any hot food at all, others have preheated hot dogs, and some have phones at the 8th or 9th tee to call ahead. All are designed to allow the players to grab and go. Despite all of that, sometimes it just doesn't work out. That doesn't mean that the player can delay as long as he wants. If something isn't available, then maybe you suck it up and wait until you finish.
If having a snack is that important to you then bring a couple of Power Bars with you for a food emergency. You don't make the rest of the course cater to you just because you think you're special. The other golfers paid the same fees you did and the odds are good that they paid for golf, not for waiting on you to eat your lunch.
Nope if I am help up for food, it's the courses fault. But of course you wouldn't blame them. It's all the players fault. The course is infallible. The stupid players just shouldn't want food and just need to pay their money and hurry and get off their damn course before their privilege to play the course is revoked.
Originally Posted by Spyder
I still can't believe the same people are stuck on this "issue". This whole "lunch at the turn" thing
comes down to the most simple and basic fibers of common courtesy/sense that should be instilled in people at birth. Hell, most people can learn
this generic form of blatant common sense through simply living.
You should not
inconvenience others while displaying behavior that would come off as conceited or entitled.
I don't get how it is that hard to miss. If the wait is too long, you're shit out of luck and you should not
be waiting more than 10 minutes for a hot dog and a drink, or whatever you went inside for. If you're still at the turn when the group behind you finishes up on 9, or 18, then you have spent too long at the turn - period. This is not a hard concept to grasp.@whatwoodtigerdo
, nobody is being an elitist here. We're applying basic common sense to a situation that should take less time than a blink to assess and decipher in your brain subconsciously. There's this "thing" that people have inside of them that can quickly make us observant and considerate to others and say "Hey, I'm probably going to mess things up for people behind me if I sit here too long. Maybe I should speed it up a little bit". That's the only point that I was trying to make. However, your attitude of calling people "tough guy" for no reason is rubbing me the wrong way. You're jumping to who is going to say what to who, who is going to beat who up, saying other groups will "sit in their carts and not say anything" when you take your place in front of them.
To be blunt, people like you are the issue on courses that have problems with their pace of play and average finish times. For you, it may be a relaxing and leisure time experience where you have unlimited time or 6 hours to dedicate towards your round. Most of us who play this game and take it seriously (while still having a blast doing so) prefer to play in a reasonable amount of time and there are some simple rules that need to be adhered to in order to effectively ensure that pace of play is not a problem. I don't think it takes much effort or thought to be a little more considerate to other people both on and off of the course. If everyone were just a bit
more considerate of others, the USGA wouldn't need to start "Pace of Play" campaigns.
if more people stop at the turn than don't, which I would assume to be correct, wouldn't you feel it's the people who don't want to stop that are in fact being inconsiderate and trying to push their will on other players.? No of course not because it doesn't jive with what you think is right. Even if they don't want anything at the turn they can go inside, cool down for a few minutes, use the bathroom etc. But no they want to push the other players to conform to their thought process and that's okay by you, just not the other way around. Gotta get home 15 minutes sooner, eh? Like I said my groups POP is usually in the 4 hour range with a stop at the turn so we aren't usually holding people up.
And to the bold sentence this is justf human nature. You don't have issues with the back handed comments or attempts to put me down littered all over the thread because you agree with their point they are arguing. But I am just supposed to take it. Which for the most part I have done and not put anybody down except for calling people "internet tough guys", because the act like it, and the starters "power drunk".