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MEfree, guess what: stroke play and match play are different forms of the game.
We don't allow "conceded shots" (or even entire holes) in stroke play. There are PLENTY of things that are different in stroke play than in match play. Heck, even penalties which result in two strokes often result in loss of hole penalties in match play (i.e. you can do something to lose a hole before your opponent even hits a shot - or even before YOU have hit a shot).
Match play and stroke play are already different. So there's no need to make them more the same. Celebrate their differences. The rules are in place for a reason.
Someone else said it, but good players will play out of turn while still honoring their obligation to protect the field when it makes sense to do so. Pace of play is one of the primary reasons why it would make sense to do so. The rules sanction such activity, and only draw the line at "when done so someone gains a distinct advantage" (paraphrased). The rules are firmer in match play because, again for what strikes me as obvious reasons, it's one-on-one.
I once played out of turn in a high school match on a par three, the 12th at Lake View. My opponent let me, in that he clearly saw me about to hit, watched me hit, and only when I put my shot to 25 feet or so on the green did he tell me I'd played out of turn and that I'd have to play again. While I thought it was a little sleazy of him to knowingly let me play, to give him the option, it was completely within the rules. His sleaziness (or what I took as such) simply fueled me, so I played a better second shot to tap-in range for a birdie.
Why did I play out of turn? Brain fart, pure and simple. I'd tied the 11th but didn't have the honor on the 10th, but had the first nine holes of the match before that, so I was "in the habit" of going first. Brain fart. But it gave him the option.
And to be clear, I felt it was a little sleazy because I will do all I can short of distracting someone mid-swing to stop someone from violating the rules. I've stopped people from standing on the line of their partners hitting shots or putts, etc. I consider that the honest, fairest way to play. He did not, but it was within the rules. It's just - to me - sleazy, like making someone finish out a two-foot putt when they have two putts to win the hole, or conceding the putt a second before they're about to hit it, or something (see also: much of Seve's match play strategies).
Originally Posted by MEfree
My point was that I asked the rule be explained to a NEW golfer who likely does not understand the difference between competitor, opponent, match play or stroke play. Also, even with your tap in example, your explanation is still inconsistent with how RayG and Fourputt are advising us to play.
So what? They aren't playing by the Rules anyway. They give kids around here five strikes when they're young. Or tees from which to hit the ball. All sports coddle their newer players. Golf is no different.
Originally Posted by MEfree
My answer is that you are both asked to play one way most of the time and another infrequently. My response was that the match play rules could be tweaked to make it more consistent with how most of us normally play (guys off the green go before guys on the green), but everyone called this heresy. I couldn't understand why this was such a bad idea and most of the criticism (except yours with your opinion about my proposal being more confusing) seemed more like personal attacks rather than helping me to understand why my thinking was wrong.
Because your solution makes no sense. Because the rules are always very different, and things are LOST - strategy, a clear and simple rule, and so on - by trying to do what you think should be done.
Originally Posted by Golfingdad
I'm going all "Erik style" on this one ;) ...
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