Originally Posted by Slice of Life
I absolutely do not have that attitude. I have nothing against the HI, and think it's great for league play for fun. It's not competition on an athletically competitive level. That was my only complaint after being called non-competitive.
We have common meeting ground. Absolutely. For the reasons you posted, the HI is great. But look at how you're describing it. "Playing for a friendly wager", "Having fun", "Played better than my handicap"...
All of those point to a casual, fun game. Not a gritty true sense of the word competitive nature. The part that is competitive, is "played better than my handicap" which indicates competition against yourself...which was exactly what I described. You're trying to beat yourself more than the other guy beats HIMself. You're not truly competing against the other people.
One last time, I have no beef with the handicap system, I just don't buy into it for the golf I play. But I also don't play in leagues, or for skins. So take that for what it's worth.
Where in the heck do you get this? When I, or anyone else talks about "competitive" golf we're talking about one thing only.....competing to beat another golfer. Either as part of a stroke play event, or in my case, more often in an individual match play round. When I play for "fun".....it means that the people I'm playing with aren't interested in playing a competitive match and we just go out and knock the ball around. Not sure what you mean by "gritty true sense of competition", but I've competed in a somewhat obscure sport (sadly, not golf.....I suck at golf) at a very high national and limited international level. I miss that competition, but due to the relative limited access to the sport I just wasn't able to continue once I left college. The only thing that comes close to the intensity of competition, that's available outside my back door, is golf. And giving, or receiving handicap strokes doesn't lessen that, it actually increases the competitive aspect because I can now compete against people who would otherwise be too good or not good enough for me to challenge, or to provide me the competitive challenge that means something.
If you want to go out and "play against yourself" or "play against the course", that's fine, but make no mistake, the course isn't gonna kick your sorry butt and laugh at you about it as it takes your money afterward. And THAT'S the fun part.....
I keep forgetting that you're relatively new to the game. As someone who considers himself to be competitive, I genuinely hope that you break out of the "social" golfer mold that most never do, and begin to compete. Whether in organized tournaments (handicap will be needed, even if just for flighting) or amongst your buddies and others that you meet along the way. The one-on-one opportunity for genuine competition in this sport, even among people of differing skill levels is something hard to find elsewhere.
One more thing.......you keep talking about receiving 15 strokes and therefore the win will mean nothing to you. What makes you think you're gonna win?
Edited by David in FL - 7/26/13 at 8:18am