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post #217 of 900
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Originally Posted by Slice of Life View Post

I have to eat a little crow...

 

The last couple rounds I've played have been boring as shit. Erik was right...I'm improving and nobody else is, so I'm just crushing people (which is great, but still...). I played in a foursome yesterday in terrible conditions and beat second place by 19 strokes. Today I played 9 and won by 5 playing like crap...so I'm starting to realize I may have been wrong...so here it goes...

 

Sounds like somebody might be trying to get their strokes back for some outing happening on August 3rd... a2_wink.gif

post #218 of 900
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Originally Posted by tristanhilton85 View Post

Sounds like somebody might be trying to get their strokes back for some outing happening on August 3rd... a2_wink.gif

Lol

Nah, there's no money on the line. I'll just have to play scratch golf....it's all good.
post #219 of 900
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No I turn 28 in 20 minutes actually. I'm athletic enough to crush 8 year olds at basketball, but terrible enough to get whooped by high school kids. It was more of a joke.

 

Happy Birthday!

post #220 of 900
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Originally Posted by Slice of Life View Post

Nah, there's no money on the line. I'll just have to play scratch golf....it's all good.

 

There are likely prizes, though.

 

And Pakoh, I don't know who changed it, but "666" is not valid, and you should read http://thesandtrap.com/a/faq#user_handicap_index .

post #221 of 900
Mine is official and correct at the time I posted it but not current. I participated in GHIN and posted but did not rejoin last year. I haven't signed up this year, so it is about 14 months old. My game has not changed so I feel it is pretty close--14.9 is certainly not a "vanity handicap", LOL, and I don't play in any official handicap tournaments, or for that matter any tournaments at all other than an occasional charity scramble or business outing. Also this year, I have been playing a lot with my vintage clubs so I am not sure that it would be appropriate to include those rounds.
post #222 of 900
I would like to return to participation in GHIN, and work on my handicap, but I do feel that 14.9 is a reasonable indication. I basically play a little better than bogey, but not a lot. I might have 4 pars and a birdie, and then 2 bogies, a double and an 8.
post #223 of 900
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Mine is official and correct at the time I posted it but not current. I participated in GHIN and posted but did not rejoin last year. I haven't signed up this year, so it is about 14 months old. My game has not changed so I feel it is pretty close--14.9 is certainly not a "vanity handicap", LOL, and I don't play in any official handicap tournaments, or for that matter any tournaments at all other than an occasional charity scramble or business outing. Also this year, I have been playing a lot with my vintage clubs so I am not sure that it would be appropriate to include those rounds.

 

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I would like to return to participation in GHIN, and work on my handicap, but I do feel that 14.9 is a reasonable indication. I basically play a little better than bogey, but not a lot. I might have 4 pars and a birdie, and then 2 bogies, a double and an 8.

 

Fire that thing back up!  I'd think it would be interesting to compare your rounds/trend when playing with vintage clubs too.  My bet is that you don't find a significant difference.

post #224 of 900
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Originally Posted by mad max View Post

 

 

My stats for the past are 

Frequency of Score per 18 holes
Year Rounds Double Eagles Eagles Birdies Pars Bogies Doubles Triples Others
2013 3 0.00 0.00 0.00 5.67 6.33 4.00 1.33 0.67
2012 9 0.00 0.00 0.67 4.11 6.89 3.44 2.00 0.89
2011 7 0.00 0.00 0.57 4.71 5.86 4.14 1.86 0.86
2010 9 0.00 0.00 0.33 4.78 7.00 4.22 1.44 0.22
2009 9 0.00 0.00 0.44 3.33 5.00 5.89 1.89 1.44
2008 18 0.00 0.00 0.78 4.11 6.78 4.06 1.06 1.22
2007 21 0.00 0.00 0.38 4.71 7.10 3.19 1.67 0.95
 
Just as a rough guess I would say I average .5 birdies 4.5 pars and 6.5 bogies per round.  I am and have been very close to an 18 HC for all this time so against a scratch player I would get a stroke on every hole.  I don't think many scratch golfers average .5 eagles and 4.5 birdies per round.  I also doubt that they average 2.75 doubles or worse (that would be my triples or worse) but in that case I hope my teammate has a good hole or in a skins game that the good players tie.

 

I find this very interesting.  I don't keep stats like this (all of a sudden wish I did) - but I think I can comfortably say that I DO NOT average half a birdie and almost 5 pars per round.  But my handicap is less than yours.  That sounds like really good golf to me.  I'd bet I play 4-5 rounds in between birdies.  

 

You say "I don't think many scratch golfers average .5 eagles and 4.5 birdies per round."  Sure they don't.  But I don't think many 18 caps are getting your stats either. Five of 18 holes played at under par?  And that is average for you?  

 

I doubt many 18 caps can cherry pick two holes in an average round to come out to under par - much less five.  What is the average score for an 18 cap?  95 or so? If your average score is 23 over and 5 of those are under par and 7 of them at 7 over (per your bogies/round), you need to shot 17 over for the remaning 6 holes - or triple bogey average.  As an uneducated guess, I'd say that someone so prone to triple bogeys is unlikely to shoot that many pars and birdies.  Seems like Equitable Stroke Control would start to play some part in this.  

 

Maybe we just take a different route to the end score.  I guess your good hole are better than my good ones and your bad holes are worse than my bad ones and it all evens out.  That is pretty interesting.

 

post #225 of 900
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Originally Posted by Meltdwhiskey View Post

 But I don't think many 18 caps are getting your stats either. Five of 18 holes played at under par?  And that is average for you?  

 

 

He says .5 birdies per round, as in 1/2 of a birdie each round, or 1 birdie every two rounds.  You may have missed the decimal point, I did too.

post #226 of 900
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Originally Posted by iacas View Post

 

Or you could look at this way: you need to find a way to play about 85,000 rounds of golf. a3_biggrin.gif

 

P.S. Also, the odds are probably a little better in "non-tournament" rounds. So maybe 80,000 rounds will be enough. :D

84,999 to go!

post #227 of 900
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Originally Posted by TJBam View Post

He says .5 birdies per round, as in 1/2 of a birdie each round, or 1 birdie every two rounds.  You may have missed the decimal point, I did too.

 

No, I caught it.  I took his 4.5 pars/round and the .5 birdies/round and added them together to make 5 full holes.  These 5 holes would be played at 1/10 of a stroke under par if my math is right. Something like that.

post #228 of 900
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Originally Posted by boogielicious View Post

84,999 to go!

 

That'll get you a frequent player status somewhere!
post #229 of 900
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Originally Posted by Meltdwhiskey View Post

 

I find this very interesting.  I don't keep stats like this (all of a sudden wish I did) - but I think I can comfortably say that I DO NOT average half a birdie and almost 5 pars per round.  But my handicap is less than yours.  That sounds like really good golf to me.  I'd bet I play 4-5 rounds in between birdies.  

 

His stats look good because he doesn't play much. Those averages would likely be lower with more reported scores if his HI is legit. I was just looking through my stats and sorting them by last 5 rounds brings up my scoring averages considerably.

post #230 of 900
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Originally Posted by Dave2512 View Post

His stats look good because he doesn't play much. Those averages would likely be lower with more reported scores if his HI is legit. I was just looking through my stats and sorting them by last 5 rounds brings up my scoring averages considerably.

 

I think I see what you mean - but I'm not totally sure I follow.  If you were trending in a good direction that would make sense.  But it also sounds like you are saying that an 18 cap who doesn't play very often is good a pars and birdies.  Maybe if he is actually a pretty good golfer, but due to not playing much has many blow-up holes since he doesn't play much?

post #231 of 900

I know what you guys mean when you say you don't update your handicap as quickly after a bad round.

 

I played this saturday and it was awful. Actually some of the holes were ok, but I had a couple of blow ups that just killed me. I completely lost my swing with my 3 wood. That had been a strength of my game recently, and on one hole I hit my 3 wood 4 (!!!!) times because I kept hitting it fat and going about 10 yards. I finally figured it out, on about the last hole. But it sure was frustrating. All of my rounds had been trending up recently, and I took a big step back this weekend. 

 

I am playing again this afternoon, so hopefully I can improve a little.

post #232 of 900
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Originally Posted by Meltdwhiskey View Post

 

I think I see what you mean - but I'm not totally sure I follow.  If you were trending in a good direction that would make sense.  But it also sounds like you are saying that an 18 cap who doesn't play very often is good a pars and birdies.  Maybe if he is actually a pretty good golfer, but due to not playing much has many blow-up holes since he doesn't play much?

Look at the stats. His instance of birdie is less than everything else but other, which is triple or worse. As more scores are added the majority of it will fall between par and double. As those numbers go up the birdie stat goes down. 

post #233 of 900
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Originally Posted by Meltdwhiskey View Post

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Originally Posted by Dave2512 View Post

His stats look good because he doesn't play much. Those averages would likely be lower with more reported scores if his HI is legit. I was just looking through my stats and sorting them by last 5 rounds brings up my scoring averages considerably.

 

I think I see what you mean - but I'm not totally sure I follow.  If you were trending in a good direction that would make sense.  But it also sounds like you are saying that an 18 cap who doesn't play very often is good a pars and birdies.  Maybe if he is actually a pretty good golfer, but due to not playing much has many blow-up holes since he doesn't play much?

 

Look at his stats again.  You are misinterpreting something.  Max is averaging a half a birdie and 4.5 pars per round.  The remaining 13 holes are over par.  He could very easily be an 18 handicap with 7 bogies and 5 doubles and 1 worse than double per round (which is about what his chart seems to indicate - 7 + 10 + 3 = 20 over par).

post #234 of 900

I must be.  Maybe I overestimated what it takes to be an 18 cap.  I'm coming up with something similar to you - but it doesn't sound right to me.  

 

You are saying that someone who averages 20 over can be an 18.  And by your count, the 7(bogeys) + 10 (doubles) + 1 (triple) gets him there.  Which obviously it does.  But it seems unlikely to me that a person who hits double or worse on 6 of the 18 holes gets that many pars per round and a birdie every other round.

 

But by my numbers, it's even worse. I've heard that a person plays to their handicap once every 5 rounds or so.  And if so, I doubt they would shoot within 2 shots of it on average (which would be your 20 over).  I don't know what the answer is, but in my math above I estimated more like 23 over as the average.  By his own stats, his average is 23.82 over. By these numbers, he would need to go from 6 or 7 over par after 12 holes - then go to almost 24 over in those last 6 holes - or about 18 over for these 6 holes.  That is triple bogey for all 6!  Who makes triple bogey for a third of your round on average, but is good enough to get 5 pars and a possible birdie?

 

Does that sound common to everyone? Maybe I am having trouble getting my mind around it because I just play a different style of golf than he does. I am close to an 18 now and was right around 18 for about a year.  And in my experience - if I get 4 or 5 pars and maybe even a birdie in a given round, I'm basically shooting or breaking 90 that day. And Max is doing this on average - but shooting 96.  

 

I seem to be the odd man out, and hijacking the thread, so I'll drop it.  But when I read it - the numbers didn't work for me and I thought it was interesting.

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