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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

hey guys, still kind of new to the posting threads thing but anyway here it goes:

 

so i currently use titleist ap2 710 irons with r flex nippon 105t shafts and i like them a lot however i feel as though sometimes they are a little too forgiving for me. although my handicap is only around 14 i am a pretty good ball striker, i just dont play enough (on account that i live in nyc and play hockey 6 times a week during fall/winter/spring) for my handicap to be any lower. anyway today i borrowed my uncles old ping i cb type irons and i played phenomenal, best round in a long time (shot an 80). now the chances of this being a case of the good-feeling-round (as i like to call it), are probably greater than it actually having to do with the irons but i swear i hit so many gir's it was a bit off-putting.

 

my question is.... has anyone ever had something like it happen? and does it mean i should look into something a little more players-irons-like when it comes time to upgrade my irons (probably next season)

 

 

thanks for the time fellas, any comments are appreciated.

 

 

-Luke

post #2 of 16

It has nothing whatsover to do with the AP2s being "too forgiving". Quite the opposite, in fact.

It is more likely that that the Pings are MORE forgiving and suit you better.

Maybe the shafts or club lie was better for you.

 

Now......if reading golf forums makes people think that a serious club like an AP2 is too forgiving, we have a serious problem.

A little bit of knowledge is clearly a dangerous thing.

post #3 of 16

AP2's are certainly more forgiving than straight up muscle back blades, but they're more of a players club despite being a cavity back iron. I'm trying to envision a scenario where having irons that are "too forgiving" would be a problem. Apart from tour pros and the highest level scratch golfers, we can all use some forgiveness in our irons. Heck, a good number of tour pros have switched to either cavity back irons or play a blended set of CB's in the long and mid irons, and MB's in the short irons.

post #4 of 16
Now......if reading golf forums makes people think that a serious club like an AP2 is too forgiving, we have a serious problem.
A little bit of knowledge is clearly a dangerous thing.
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More like a lack of knowledge, don't feed the trolls!
post #5 of 16

No AP2's are rated as conventional by Maltby, so there probably just a bit easier to pay than most Mizuno blade irons. There not as bad as pure musclebacks.

 

AP1's are very much a game improvement iron, big difference between AP2's and AP1's.

post #6 of 16
Nothing makes sense about this post!!
This post is the definition of the opposite of sense!
"I need a less forgiving club because I play better with a more forgiving club"
What????
That's like saying...
I've been golfing with ping pong balls, then I tried golf balls and they went much further, so should I switch to cotton wool balls instead??
This OP is either laughing at us or retarded!
Don't feed the trolls!
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by Hardballs View Post

Nothing makes sense about this post!!
This post is the definition of the opposite of sense!
"I need a less forgiving club because I play better with a more forgiving club"
What????
That's like saying...
I've been golfing with ping pong balls, then I tried golf balls and they went much further, so should I switch to cotton wool balls instead??
This OP is either laughing at us or retarded!
Don't feed the trolls!

 

No, he says he plays good but thinks a more player like iron will help him gain an edge in shot making. A lot of players do better with less forgiving irons.

 

AP2's are not that forgiving, i think your fine with them. You might want to get the shafts check to see if they are matched to your swing.

post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by saevel25 View Post

No, he says he plays good but thinks a more player like iron will help him gain an edge in shot making. A lot of players do better with less forgiving irons.

 

would agree with you, except that the OP said he played much better with old Ping Eye's, which are a far cry from a shot makers club.

post #9 of 16

Ah, yes, you are correct on that...

 

Then yes, he could be loosing strokes. Its tough to say its the club it self. It could be the MOI of the club, some clubs just feel better. The shaft could be different. Its tough to tell. To say its because its more forgivinging is tough.

 

Also modern clubs are much more forgiving. Companies have gotten really good at moving the weight more towards the edges and keeping a blade like look and feel. Ping Eye clubs are very high MOI. Its tough to compare apple to oranges like that, its 20+ years of technology

post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by saevel25 View Post

Its tough to compare apple to oranges like that, its 20+ years of technology

 

Agreed. I would venture to say that the thing that is making the Ping's easier to hit relates to offset. When I played then about 10 years ago, all I could hit was a high hook with them.

post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 

ok i just want to clear some things up. yes i know that the ap2 is more along the lines of a players iron and not as forgiving as say the ap1 however what i was saying (or trying to) was that the club i used the other day (it wont let me post a picture because it says i dont have permission or something so here is a link: http://www.golfreview.com/cat/irons/ping/i3-plus-blade/prd_142827_2940crx.aspx) was definitely less forgiving than the ap2 and i seemed to play better with it. my question was/is is it time to look into more of a bladed/muscle back iron for my next set, or maybe even a combo set or something.

 

sorry if that wasnt clear guys.

 

thanks, Luke

post #12 of 16

Actually probably not

 

Pint is known for there game improvement irons, even there i20, many generations down the line from the i5, is right around the current AP2's in playability. The i15's were very much a more game improvement iron. The i15's are much closely designed to the i5 than the i20's. So i doubt the i5's are less forgiving than the AP2's.

post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by lukeypoints View Post

my question was/is is it time to look into more of a bladed/muscle back iron for my next set

 

The clubs you posted are not muscle backs, and I would hardly call them "blades" regardless of what Ping stamped on them.

post #14 of 16
It makes a little more sense now!
And actually a good question!!
At what point should you take the plunge and switch from a GI iron to more of a players iron? At a 18hcap, I'm happy just to hit the thing straight for now!
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by Hardballs View Post

It makes a little more sense now!
And actually a good question!!
At what point should you take the plunge and switch from a GI iron to more of a players iron? At a 18hcap, I'm happy just to hit the thing straight for now!

 

When you can consistently hit all of your irons solidly. By that, I mean almost every shot is solid. Sure, even the best have mishits, but if you hit a lot of shots off the toe, some low in the face, and some fat, then there's no reason to switch to anything less forgiving. 

 

Even when you get to that point, though, it still depends on what you're after. Some good ball strikers would rather hit the same shot consistently, so a players club isn't as necessary.

post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by geauxforbroke View Post

... I'm trying to envision a scenario where having irons that are "too forgiving" would be a problem. Apart from tour pros and the highest level scratch golfers, we can all use some forgiveness in our irons. ...

 

Consider situations in which the head and shaft cause bad things to happen.

 

Before switching to R.flex irons, I played Ping Eye2 clones with a rather heavy Dynalite Gold S300 shaft (high launch). Along with the fact I was losing distance from the heavy shafts, the Dynalites also tended to hang the short irons up in the air to blow around.

 

When switching irons, I tried both Ping G10 and Big Bertha irons, SGIs (Golf Digest Hot List categories) with high launch shafts. I had the same problems of SGI head + hi-launch shaft, again with iron shots - especially short irons - hanging up in the breeze.

 

Solution: Callaway X20 irons - SGI heads with a mid-launch Uniflex shaft. Good launch from the heads, but the shaft kept the shots - especially short irons - from ballooning. I later switched to X20 Tours (Gi irons) for a smaller head (out of rough) and better feel.

 

So, shafts + friendly GI heads can help out golfers. Going the Players clubs, however, can be tricky. Players clubs allow you to do certain things you can't with GI clubs - but, do you practice enough to make the effort worthwhile?

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