Originally Posted by MEfree
So your point is that there is not much strategy in dropping, yet you say that the players you see will use an alternate drop option if they imagine the lie they will get will be poor enough to warrant it- seems like you are splitting hairs just to disagree with me. FWIW, it was Turtleback who first said that there is strategy in dropping (which he liked as is).
Given that this is a forum open for discussion, I am not sure why my perception is not relevant. Sure, it would be stronger if I could say with statistically certainty based on 50 years of PGA Tour data that more players are now going the drop, re-drop, place route, but it means something that having watched TV golf for 30 years that I now notice way more players placing the ball in situations where I never recall seeing PGA pros place the ball in the past. (Sure, TV coverage can influence ones perception of what they are seeing, but still)
Most of this comes not because there is no place to drop that the ball will stay legal, but that pros seem to be hunting for a drop position where the ball is most likely to roll into an illegal position (i.e. closer to the hole). In fact, I have seen numerous TV drops where the player actually dropped more than twice because some of his drops resulted in the ball landing closer to the hole (without rolling)- the player's strategy appeared to be based on figuring that if they drop exactly the same distance from the hole, then if it rolls forward 1 mm, they can re-drop then place. Am I the only one who has noticed this?
Are you saying that just as many pros went the drop, re-drop, place route when drops were back over the shoulder? Do you want to play behind a group where every player calls someone over to watch them drop, re-drop and place to verify that all the drops are legal and that the placing of the ball is legit?
You don't have to watch, really golf is based on a game of self governing rules. Meaning you call penalties on your self, and you know the rules. PGA tour has rules officials because they can afford to hire rules officials. There are some instances were a pro will call a penalty on himself as well.
Yes the rules state, two club lengths (sometimes one), no closer to the hole. So if you want, you can take the chance and drop the ball near the line and try to get it to fall forward so you then can place it. That is fine, and all with in the rules. I see no problem with it.
Usually when we were in tournament golf in highschool. You would notify your opponent what you were doing, and then drop. As long as your opponent knew you were taking a penalty, lets say for a unplayable lie, then that is fine. Like i said it was a game of self governing rules, with honesty.
Also different drops can be used strategically. Like when you hit a ball into a water hazard,
Drop a ball behind the water hazard
, keeping the point at which the original ball last crossed the margin of the water hazard
directly between the hole
and the spot on which the ball is dropped, with no limit to how far behind the water hazard
the ball may be dropped; or
I've done this a lot, were i would find the point, line it up between me and the hole, and move back as far as i want. I will tend to pace out a yardage, and hopefully its in the fairway. You can use this also to gain better line of sight if you have tree trouble was well.
But i know the rules, so i can make this decision quickly as well.