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post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Micah View Post

Your question doesn't make sense big guy. Did you mean why should the clubface be square at impact? Then the answer would be to strike the ball flush thus ensuring a straight ball flight. Does that now make any sense to you dumb dumb? You need help buddy

My question is simple.

You said the club face should be "square" at impact. That means that the club face should be perpendicular to something.....I'd just like to know what you think that something is.

Unless of course, you're using terms that you're completely unfamiliar with......talking out of your ass, so to speak. If that's the case, I'm giving you more credit than you're due. Please convince us all that that's not the case.....
post #20 of 27

Micah, I'd just like to stop you here before you get too far. If you continue to persist with this, it's only going to serve to further damage any credibility you may have left.

You are correct in saying that a "square" clubface would technically hit the ball far and straight, but only if it is square to your path EVERY time you hit a ball. If it's the slightest bit open you bring a draw or a fade into play, making for more inconsistency than a clubface that is always slightly shut or open to the swingpath.

 

You see, if you tried to hit a straight shot using your method the result would be inconsistent at best. You might hit 2/10 that were reasonably straight, but then hit 4 with a draw and 4 with a fade. This means that 8/10th of your shots didn't really go where you wanted them to and, to make things worse, you have no way of predicting which way you will miss.

 

When I hit a golf ball with my preferred push-draw, I know that 1 of two things will happen:

1) I will hit it and it will draw back towards the target leaving me reasonably on line with my intended target

2) I will get myself "stuck" and end up blocking my shot, leaving me with a miss to the right.

The things that I know won't happen on a reasonably decent swing are:

1) I will not push-fade the ball to the right (I try to hit a fade sometimes, but the results are usually ugly).

2) I will not hook the ball far to the left (unless I get too armsy, but the hook is a good indicator of that in my swing).

 

This means that I have a miss on only one side, to the right, rather than having an opportunity to miss both right and left. In addition I will have a larger margin for error since 3 yards more or less of a draw to my shot will not leave me that far off of the pin. However if you hit any curve at all with your technique, it will be rolling away from the hole when it hits the green regardless of which way it curves. My shots have a 50% chance to roll out towards the pin and come slightly closer if I draw the ball less than intended, giving me even more margin for error. 

 

Lastly, it's really much easier to hit a curving ball than a straight shot. I could go an entire round where my clubface is closed to my swingpath on nearly every shot. You might hit 10 shots during a round where your clubface and swingpath are within .5* of each other going straight down the line. It's really all about you not knowing where you will miss your shot (will it go to the right or left if you miss it?) and me knowing that I will miss it to the right 90% of the time.

post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by Pretzel View Post

Micah, I'd just like to stop you here before you get too far. If you continue to persist with this, it's only going to serve to further damage any credibility you may have left.
You are correct in saying that a "square" clubface would technically hit the ball far and straight, but only if it is square to your path EVERY time you hit a ball. If it's the slightest bit open you bring a draw or a fade into play, making for more inconsistency than a clubface that is always slightly shut or open to the swingpath.

You see, if you tried to hit a straight shot using your method the result would be inconsistent at best. You might hit 2/10 that were reasonably straight, but then hit 4 with a draw and 4 with a fade. This means that 8/10th of your shots didn't really go where you wanted them to and, to make things worse, you have no way of predicting which way you will miss.

When I hit a golf ball with my preferred push-draw, I know that 1 of two things will happen:
1) I will hit it and it will draw back towards the target leaving me reasonably on line with my intended target
2) I will get myself "stuck" and end up blocking my shot, leaving me with a miss to the right.
The things that I know won't happen on a reasonably decent swing are:
1) I will not push-fade the ball to the right (I try to hit a fade sometimes, but the results are usually ugly).
2) I will not hook the ball far to the left (unless I get too armsy, but the hook is a good indicator of that in my swing).

This means that I have a miss on only one side, to the right, rather than having an opportunity to miss both right and left. In addition I will have a larger margin for error since 3 yards more or less of a draw to my shot will not leave me that far off of the pin. However if you hit any curve at all with your technique, it will be rolling away from the hole when it hits the green regardless of which way it curves. My shots have a 50% chance to roll out towards the pin and come slightly closer if I draw the ball less than intended, giving me even more margin for error. 

Lastly, it's really much easier to hit a curving ball than a straight shot. I could go an entire round where my clubface is closed to my swingpath on nearly every shot. You might hit 10 shots during a round where your clubface and swingpath are within .5* of each other going straight down the line. It's really all about you not knowing where you will miss your shot (will it go to the right or left if you miss it?) and me knowing that I will miss it to the right 90% of the time.

Well said, and absolutely right.


Micah,

You'll find a lot of knowledgeable, experienced people on this site. Most are more than willing to engage and debate in a respectful manner, as long as that respect is returned.....even when sharing a difference of opinion.

Welcome to the community! a1_smile.gif
Edited by David in FL - 8/17/13 at 10:13pm
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by Micah View Post

**** what the LSU guy says and swing however you want because what it really boils down to is squaring the club face upon impact which will ensuure a straight shot and good ball striking ability. Look at Jim Furyk....ugly swing but squares up on impact.

 

**** what I said? My advice was to post a video of his swing so that we can see what the actual issue may be, and then try to provide some helpful feedback instead of rattling off quick fixes that will probably do more harm than good.

 

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Originally Posted by Micah View Post

squaring the club

face upon impact is not bad advice....youre an idiot

 

Squaring the clubface at impact is very important if your swingpath is perfectly parallel to the target line. There are very, very few people that swing this way, pros included. 

 

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Originally Posted by Micah View Post

If youre trying to work the ball with your pathetic 30 index hdcp the Id seriously invvest in a new hobby. Keep it simple with one fluid motion. BTW Charles Barkley just called you and said he wants his swing back...bwahahaaaa

 

And as a 14 handicapper you can shape it like Tiger? Please. Just stop.

 

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Originally Posted by Micah View Post

Your question doesn't make sense big guy. Did you mean why should the clubface be square at impact? Then the answer would be to strike the ball flush thus ensuring a straight ball flight. Does that now make any sense to you dumb dumb? You need help buddy

 

His question doesn't make sense from your defensive position. Take a step back a learn about the golf swing, then you'll understand his question. 

 

P.S. These are four great examples of how not to speak to established members of a forum you've just joined. 

 

There are plenty of people here that are willing to engage in civil debate, but none of us want to converse with someone that speaks this way. So please, try to learn from what other people say and don't be quick to argue. I enjoy reading differing opinions and learning constantly. I'm looking forward to seeing what you can bring to the forum. Welcome!

post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Micah View Post

If youre trying to work the ball ...

 

Those were hypothetical statements. No need for the insults.
post #24 of 27
I apoligize if Ive offended anyone.
post #25 of 27
Good move. You'll find this forum to be much more enjoyable if you're courteous with the other posters. Welcome aboard.

Nice avatar by the way. a2_wink.gif
post #26 of 27

To the OP, update your handicap on the profile and make sure you are shifting your weight to the front foot.  Safe piece of advice even if I have not seen the swing.

I'll bet by now your problem has been fixed though golf being what it is.

post #27 of 27
i was going to mention something about balance but i didnt want to get another ear full lol. with me being new and all
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