Originally Posted by billchao
Well that's part of what I'm trying to say, you can't trust the spin because the flight of the ball is more easily blown off course than a standard golf ball. I can hit a wiffle ball up and down my hard and consistently draw it in one direction and fade it in the other, based on the crosswind.
I think it may be related to angle of attack. I don't want to get too technical, but basically, if you hit the ball on the upswing of your swing arc (as in a driver), you're path is heading to the left. When you hit the ball on the downswing of your swing arc (as in your irons), you're path is heading to the right. If you combine an out to in club path with hitting up on the ball with your driver, you are hitting pulls and fades/slices all day. I think your irons are hitting straight/with a slight draw because you just might be hitting down on them steeply enough to counter the inward club path. Here's an informative thread if you want to learn more about that: http://thesandtrap.com/t/44307/hitting-up-or-down-with-the-driver-in-an-inline-pattern
Originally Posted by mvmac
Yes the angle of attack is factored in with the overall path number and you can have a positive aoa with have a right ward path. If I had to guess I would agree with what you have to say, that the down is helping Abu3baid hit his irons straight. With his driver I would imagine the club is swinging too much down and across and might even have some glancing blow/gear effect issues.
Thanks to the both of you for this useful information. I understand the technical part that you have so kindly explained, but if that is the case then I don't want to change really anything about my irons or hybrids at this point. I mean I have never been able to hit my five iron like I'm hitting it now (solid and straight about 180-185 carry), so I think tinkering with my swing no would be suicide (do you agree?)
Couldn't it be that I am just coming around my body too fast and not going forward enough? I mean it is very possible that my swing is in to out or even in to in right now with all my clubs, but the real difference is that when I come down with the iron like you mentioned I hit the ball on the way down and thus the draw spin, but when I hit up with the driver I am coming across the ball on the way up as I have already finished the in-in swing and hitting it around my body (if that makes sense, it does to me while I'm thinking about it now)... I just don't feel like I'm swinging out to in at all, nor is the physics aspect of it adding up as to how can I counter an out-in swing path by coming in too steeply? if anything that would just hit popups that slice in my mind.
The other thing is that when I was getting fitted for my driver, my angle of attack on it was always too low according to the fitting guy at (dicks sporting) basically he measured me between 8 - 9* on average and he kept mentioning that I needed to be more around 13 which maybe I'm just not capable of I don't know..
Anyway, I am going to go ahead and work on turning my shoulders and keeping my angle with my spine on the take away and through the swing and I hope to see better results soon..
I just want to say that I really appreciate all the input from the both of you, definitely opened my eyes to some interesting things.. I am going to go ahead and read up what I can on angle of attack and ways to manage and control that!