So what? Its still the same for everyone. I've played dozens of mud balls over the years, and 90% of the time the dirt has no effect on the shot.
There's no dealing with bad bounces either. Do want to regulate them out of the game too? Ooh darn - that bad kick put me in the deep rough. I should get to drop it back in the fairway. Then I get to clean and place it because we are playing lift, clean and cheat. Sheesh... just play golf and quit whining.
I don't feel strongly one way other the other about lift, clean and place but will point out that bad bounces can be increased or decreased by course design and the luck with mud balls can be eliminated with lift, clean and place. Most players prefer fair courses that have less random bounces than mini golf, so I imagine that some players do like to see the luck factor of mud balls regulated out of the game the same way some players feel that you should not have to play from a divot on the fairway. I know you don't agree, but others are entitled to their opinions as well.
You just don't get it do you? If you aren't being entertained, then why are you watching? And if all of us weren't being entertained by watching, the PGA Tour would be bankrupt in a month. Of course they are in the business of entertainment. All professional sports are in the business of entertainment. There is no other reason for their existence.
I think it is you who missed Saevel's point- he didn't say that we aren't entertained. What he said is that the pros first concern is winning $ and golf tournaments and that the entertainment provided to us is a byproduct of their goal to play as well as they can. Yes, some pros go out of their way to sign autographs and do interviews, but they don't decide how to play a shot in competition based on what they think will entertain the viewers the most. Phil might be the exception.
I didn't miss anything, I just strongly disagree. When I watch golf, I watch to see them play golf. That includes all of the randomness and nuances of the complete game (and the ability to handle the adversity and recovery when the bounces go the wrong way), not just hitting from perfect lies to perfect greens, over and over, ad nauseum. I also don't care much for the courses or setups which allow for driver wedge on 90% of the par 4 holes. That too is contrary to the totality of the game of golf. This is why I mostly only bother to watch the majors and upper tier events any more. The rest is just boring repetition of the same old same old.
Golf is supposed to have some randomness to it. That's why it's played with weirdly shaped sticks over hill and dale in all sorts of weather. Unless a course is truly a sloppy mess, there is no reason to allow the players to lift, clean, and place the ball in a full clublength arc. When my club did it, we only had 6 inches to play with, which only mitigated the lie, not the line of play. And it was only invoked when it was a choice of use preferred lies or declare the course unplayable.
If they must regulate the mud ball (and I'd still argue against it), then I'd rather see a local rule which only allows them to mark, lift, clean, and replace the ball in the same spot. Now they have a 3 foot radius semicircle to find a tuft of grass to prop the ball up on - might as well just let them tee it.
You have it backwards. The fact that they make money, and how much they make, is a byproduct of their entertainment value. The less entertaining they are, the less money they will make (see the LPGA Tour for reference). I don't give a rat's behind who signs autographs or who doesn't. That's not a part of playing golf. Neither is lift, clean and cheat.
Want to talk about Denver, how about the Colorado Rockies, they put baseball in a Humidifier to make the game more fair. So, in cases were they can achieve an even playing field they could. I guess if Denver wanted to, build a new stadium, make it a dome, and pump extra oxygen into the stadium to make it fair. Its possible.
Honestly i could care less if they do or don't have the preferred lies. I am just not going to sit back and hammer the PGA for making a rule that is trying to benefit the whole playing field. So i see no issue it, its up to the PGA to decide. If the players voice there concern about it, which apparently they are not, then there is no issue. The only issue seems to be people who get upset about something that doesn't even effect them. When you get on the PGA, then your opinion will truly matter, else wise its just complaining about something that you can't change.
The put the ball in the humidifier not to make it more fair - after all, both teams are playing the same ball in the same stadium. The use the humidifier so that the batting statistics for the Rockies players will be recognized without the inevitable asterisk. But that hos nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Of course the players aren't going to beg for play it as it lies. The typical club golfers would by happy as a clam with preferred lies every other tournament. That still doesn't increase the entertainment value. And it dies affect me, or at least it affects my viewing plans. I don't usually bother to watch when the Tour invokes the rule, because too often they do it for conditions which don't really warrant it.
Edited by Fourputt - 9/8/13 at 1:08pm